Liu Cixin showed us what the consequences of a society too far biased towards feminity looks like in The Three Body Problem Series.
You know that's fiction, right?
Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
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Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious about how this played out for you. Having never experienced almost anything gendered in school aside from sports I just don't understand what the dynamic would be like. I do recall reading a piece by a black author who was lamenting school desegregation. They wrote how black schools in the south were a place of community, empowerment, and organizing. The education could be about the subject, and not focus…
I've seen some discussion lately claiming that feminism and female-first schooling was designed to get women out of the house and into the workplace so their work could be taxed. I can't say I really believe it or not, but this theory explains why the state would be pushing the idea so hard.
"so their work could be taxed"...that makes no sense to me, what would be the advantage? Taxation itself doesn't magically "generate" wealth that could be used to help pay for the cost of government (which is only likely to increase as more women take up paid work outside the home).
Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#33Funny how findings like this get almost no attention at all, isn't it? In Europe at least I fear we lose a generation of boys. Dropout rates among young males are very alarming, and yet doesn't get the attention it needs. Future generation will not look back kindly on how we currently normalize desastreus results for overall young male education.
Yep, apparently equality matters only when it’s girls/women who are disadvantaged.
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Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well we need more boys for the army as we need to defend against Russia. We also need boys to construct heavy infrastructure / equipment. The fact that only boys are obliged to fight on the front line and do the ultimate sacrifice bother no equality champion.
The demographics of Russia are so bad that there will not be a Russian army for your boys to fight.
China then. Or Mexico. Or those pesky Canadians.
Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#35They compared anonymous standardized test scores to non anonymized classroom test scores. Seems worth pointing out that these are not the same kinds of tests and that the latter presumably has subjective elements like partial credit for answers. I would have liked to have seen the classroom tests scored anonymously. I'm willing to believe that people with better communication skills generally test better on tests wit…
Grading in school is never anonymous so it’s hardly bias-free.
My theory is teachers like obedient pupils and that’s why they prefer girls over boys.
Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#36If you are a parent and your son doesn't do well in school but seems to be interested in tinkering and building things and looks like he might suit STEM but does not have the scores, sit with him and help him crack those exams. DO NOT send him to a tutor, I literally mean sit with him and make a plan and sit with him and help him execute it. schools and colleges are less about education and more about cracking exams with a high score. This does not help boys who know there isn't anything to learn and works well with girls who follow instructions to the dot to do those assignments, rote learn and spew.
I was suicidal at a point when I could write simple RDBMS servers in C++ and was constantly reading research around computing when in school but could not clear my school exams. and everyone including my parent and teachers made me feel I was stupid. This is the case with most boys out there. It was only when I went to university and research was more important than rote learning, I suddenly realized I had the highest scores with very little to no effort whereas girls would struggle and somehow get their assignments and projects done through the nice guys.
but guess what, I was a very lucky boy to reach the university, most are not. If you are a parent of a son, make time, sit with him daily and help him crack those exams. the society or the education system will not change, all you can do is to take advantage of the broken system.
+1 to parents who help their kids with their assignments even with their tight schedules, you deserve a lot of praise.
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#37I was doing poorly in jr high and was forced into a same sex school that ultimately saved my life. I think it's better tbh, and I will probably do the same for my kids if they are having academic issues.
I'm curious about how this played out for you. Having never experienced almost anything gendered in school aside from sports I just don't understand what the dynamic would be like. I do recall reading a piece by a black author who was lamenting school desegregation. They wrote how black schools in the south were a place of community, empowerment, and organizing. The education could be about the subject, and not focus…
I think there were two big consequences of switching into same-sex education when I was 15.
1/ The hormonal chaos of a bunch of teenagers was partially quelled. There weren't any girls around to impress, we could be more open with one another with less fear of judgement and no expectation to be the big man. I could ask more questions in class without being petrified of looking dumb in front of a girl I liked.
2/ Learning could become a sport. It may seem immature, but I grew up playing sports my entire childhood, pretty much every season. At my HS you had class rank, and that turned learning into a game for me, which is exactly what I needed for motivation to work hard and study. By the time I was 17 I really fell in love with math, but I wouldn't have gotten there without the competitive gaming component of my first few years. This isn't intrinsic to same sex schooling, but it wasn't available at my local co-ed schools.
Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#38They compared anonymous standardized test scores to non anonymized classroom test scores. Seems worth pointing out that these are not the same kinds of tests and that the latter presumably has subjective elements like partial credit for answers. I would have liked to have seen the classroom tests scored anonymously. I'm willing to believe that people with better communication skills generally test better on tests wit…
Grading in school is never anonymous so it’s hardly bias-free. My theory is teachers like obedient pupils and that’s why they prefer girls over boys.
This is the most likely factor. A teacher has to teach a decent class size. Overall, boys are more disruptive. So yeah, it makes sense that teachers consciously or subconsciously reward those who make their work easier, by behaving better and following instructions
Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#39They compared anonymous standardized test scores to non anonymized classroom test scores. Seems worth pointing out that these are not the same kinds of tests and that the latter presumably has subjective elements like partial credit for answers. I would have liked to have seen the classroom tests scored anonymously. I'm willing to believe that people with better communication skills generally test better on tests wit…
Grading in school is never anonymous so it’s hardly bias-free. My theory is teachers like obedient pupils and that’s why they prefer girls over boys.
That's not the question though. If the grading were made anonymous, and girl's continued to receive better grades, that would diminish the claim a fair bit.
Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
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From which country are you from? Can you give any major outlet article from your country discussing the topic? I can only name BBC (=England) for that topic. Usually I read FAZ in Germany (reputable source, conservative - liberal) and they havent mention it. The only male equally topic in Germany currently discussed is fatherhood (which is actually quiet important topic to discuss).
What about fatherhood to discuss? It's an important topic but broad too.
In this case in Germany fathers are often ignored in topics about parenthood. Teachers dont call the fathers if kids feel bad, only mothers are asked in question of education, in case of divorce 90 % of all case only mothers get child custody etc.
There is much to do in case of sex equality!