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Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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Yes, having built a ton of cabinet doors before for a similar project, I realized the allure of the cost savings (the raw materials are so cheap!) blinds you to the massive amounts of labor involved.

(One of) the old woodworking mottos; why buy it when you can build it for 3x the cost and 10x the time?

Hehe, yep. It's taken me about 10 months to make some wall plaques. I had some beautiful black locust heartwood from cutting down trees for a friend. The worst part was not having a band saw or similar to cut them into boards. They were small, so a chainsaw jig didn't really make sense. I ended up splitting them down the grain and building a jig for a router to trim them flat. Probably about 1 of 3-4 tools/jigs/etc that I had to build to get them done. Just working on a nice oil finish now.

Although to be fair, I have no idea what something like that would have cost since I've never seen heartwood this dark before.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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Would you like to live in a society where the laws are the same as they are now, but it’s impossible to break them and not be caught? (I know I’m jumping right to where the slippery slope ends.)

Taking the other side - you’d rather live in the society we have today where policies/laws are selectively enforced based on whether cops/supervisors have a good relationship with you, are biased re your race/gender, etc?

Perfectly executed laws would also have biased outcomes, likely worse than the current system.

There’s a good quote that goes something like “the law treats all men equally: the rich man and the poor man are punished the same for stealing bread to feed their family.”

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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I built a lighting system for to save energy by turning off hallway lights when not in use. The environmental aspect was great and saved hundreds of thousands in electricity. Someone eventually realized that the mesh network I built to connect all the lights together and report usage statistics could also be used to track employees moving throughout the building and catch them taking unauthorized breaks in the stairw…

Systems like that are commercially available now, even as far as pitching "we don't know what to do with all the data but by golly we're collecting it for you." For location tracking they specifically called out things like equipment carts, but it was implied that it could track other bluetooth devices.

I did this almost a decade ago. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't commercially available now. Heck, the system I wrote might even be one of them for all I know.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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I built a lighting system for to save energy by turning off hallway lights when not in use. The environmental aspect was great and saved hundreds of thousands in electricity. Someone eventually realized that the mesh network I built to connect all the lights together and report usage statistics could also be used to track employees moving throughout the building and catch them taking unauthorized breaks in the stairw…

What is so bad about catching people taking unauthorised breaks?

for starters the idea of “unauthorized” in terms of taking a couple minutes to yourself is questionable.

i have never worked in an office environment where people didn’t routinely unwind for a couple minutes. the way we’re treated in an office setting vs those outside an office is in a lot of ways disturbing. a couple years ago my friends dad lost his job of 25 years because he was caught sneaking around a corner, out of eyesight of his foreman, to eat a candy bar. he had been warned about these “unauthorized” snack breaks in the past.

this idea is entirely foreign to any of us who sit at a computer coding or doing whatever desk job that sometimes we don’t stop to think of how ludicrous some workers are treated—my entire post college career, if i wanted to eat a candy bar, i just ate it.

were a decision to come down in just about any office full of engineers which said “unless authorized, you cannot drink or eat anything. if any unauthorized stoppage of typing occurs, there will be consequences.” people would be justifiably outraged.

but they’d be “catching” “unauthorized” non-typers.

the idea that someone somewhere decided to put trackers on human beings is wild.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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A WooCommerce shop I built in a couple of days ended up making millions of dollars for the catholic church... I learned to research who I'm working for

oh tell us more details on that story :-)

Well, the really tragic thing was that I started working in nonprofit web design specifically because I wanted to work for ethical, value-driven clients. And this was true much of the time.

But the agency I was working for was so busy, and we were cranking out code at such a rate, that after a while I stopped thinking about exactly who the clients were. We did a lot of work for religious and political organisations, gambling industry lobbying groups etc. "Charities" in the loosest sense.

Before long it became clear that I'd used my talents to help organisations whose values were directly against mine (I'm a strong supporter of LGBT rights for example, on which the Catholic church has a poor record.)

The main things I learned as a junior dev were:

* Non-profit clients aren't necessarily more ethical than business clients, it's naive to assume this is the case

* Be careful when taking on a high volume of client projects. It's hard to track exactly what their values are, and you might accidentally end up enriching an organisation which hates your guts

* Track your personal values carefully and regularly check if you're living up to them at work

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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"Thing is, when the company that pays you actively wants to track everyone, there's little you can do as the person that creates tech form them." You can quit. Literally, there is something you can do. If your boss asks you to write or adapt something to surveil, then you can quit. There may be consequences to quitting, perhaps disproportionately felt between you and the company, perhaps consequences that you won't e…

> There may be consequences to quitting, perhaps disproportionately felt between you and the company This is why unions are so important, even in a field like software engineering. If you quit on your own, the company may not care. But using the threat of strikes, workers can demand better conditions for themselves and more ethical directions for their company.

Why are tech workers so resistant to organized action? Their owner employers sure are organizing adversarially in a multitude of ways in the open and behind closed doors

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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I went to college for a number of years in electrical engineering technology. I started working even before I finished my degree. My first gig was PLC programming material handling systems for the pharmaceutical industry. It made sense, in order to maintain safety and a sterile environment it’s much better to have a stainless steel robot handle pails, jars, drums, etc of pills in a clean room instead of people touching them.

Next up was a table to help workers move large objects with hydraulic movement and pins to hold the material in place via compressed air activation, and all the associated limit switches electronic eyes etc. cool enough.

Then the big leagues, a 300k (17 years ago) A-B (Allen-Bradley) robotic arm in an auto parts plant. Day 3 inside / outside / on top of the cage, I become aware of a number of people standing behind the yellow line staring at me, later cursing me, one threw some crumpled paper at me… I’m asking the plant foreman wtf is with those guys. He says well as soon as your robot works they’re all laid off. I left that day and never went back. Someone finished programming and set up I’m sure, I could care less, I didn’t. I thought one day I’ll get stabbed in the parking lot.

I realize that my automation didn’t take jobs away from society, I didn’t do anything evil. Those jobs would just move and hopefully spawn better jobs in the community (medium to long term). But in that small short term microeconomic moment, there were real consequences, and I was the face of them. I was not happy, I changed careers that exact day.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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I was asked to solve a relatively minor problem. I then turned it into a much larger project, more or less to entertain myself. Years later and the project just won't die, we've tried to get everybody off of it, but they just won't leave. Nobody wants to run this thing any more, it's just too big. In retrospect I should have focused only on just what the business really needed, and not turned it into a magnum opus.

Re: Ask HN: What is the thing you've built that you regret the most?

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Spent a year building a financial analysis engine for automated commodities trading, including a home-baked distributed computing system. Ran it on servers at work (which was unethical) and ended up losing some money (not a lot) on trading a system it produced. The trades themselves did make profit, but I failed to account for broker fees. Good learning experience but wasted a lot of time writing code that I ultimately threw away.
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