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More than 10 years ago now, I was in the ICU for myocarditis, leading to bradycardia, a very slow heart rate. During the night, it would drop to 40 (which is still fine), but sometimes below 30, at which point my heart monitor would blare an alarm, waking me up and scaring the absolute bejesus out of me, raising my heart rate immensely. A nurse would walk in, see that I was fine, and leave again. This occurred nightl…
I don't understand this post. It reads like "have your cake and eat it too". The the heart monitor did not blare an alarm, maybe you died. Which one do you want?
Things I've noticed while visiting the ICU
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Well good thing regular people don't ever need to use ICUs.
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
In case it was unclear, I was being sarcastic in my reply and pointing out the hypocrisy of being offended that "regular people" would have to foot the bill for ICUs - as if they weren't the ones relying on their existence.
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I'm not old but I have an Advance Directive on my file that essentially says if I'm fucked then they should let me go. (And I'm in the UK where treatment is free at point of use).
Wow, this is a great post. I never knew about this NHS programme. I wish I had the same where I live. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/end-of-life-care/advance-decis... https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/end-of-life-care/advance-state... At the risk of sharing some PII, are you willing to share some of the conditions that you set?
https://compassionindying.org.uk/making-decisions-and-planni...
It's important to get the right balance around specificity. You need to include some
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Doing this would make the problem worse by increasing the amount of unemployable newly graduated doctors that can't practice because they can't match into a residency program. Medical schools have exploded in number the past few decades compared to the actual amount of residency spots that have been opened. The limiting factor isn't medical school admissions, it's residency spots. We'd need to increase medicare fundi…
Why does medicare alone have to fund residency spots?
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It’s probably because we don’t have enough ICU (or step down beds) in Canadian hospitals than the fear of litigation in the US. Canada’s capacity is amongst the least in G20 nations. A lot of patients we manage on the ward or step downs (i.e. pressors on step down, I’m unaware of any ward that will let you run these, very few tolerate central lines) really should be in a full ICU, or at least a high level step down u…
I am going to repeat myself here. You wrote: > Not even close. Quick Google search for "icu beds per capita" finds: https://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/en/data-insights/intensive-... Canada: 12.9 / 100K population (slightly higher than OECD average) For the record, it is usually better to quote "OECD" than "G20". G20 just means total GDP is large, but GDP per capita can be very low, like India, Indonesia, and China. OEC…
This is not the bed count of units capable of having cardiac support or prolonged ventilation.
I can’t readily find the OECD figure but if you look at ventilator capable beds in Canada the number drops to ~9.7, again inclusive of community/regional hospitals mostly staffed by non-ICU trained physicians which are only equipped for short term ventilation.
Which center in Canada have you trained at where there isn’t constant pressure to offload ICU patients to the ward due to a lack of beds?
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As a physician, shift length is honestly a red herring. As much as I hated doing 24-28 hour shifts on inpatient services, continuity of care does matter and errors do occur in handover. You have to keep in mind that medicine between 12am and 6am is what we call “keep people alive.” 6am to 12pm after an overnight is for handover. You’re not trying to diagnose a new illness overnight or make changes in management, your…
> As a physician, shift length is honestly a red herring. This is how the Stockholm syndrome feels. I manage a few T.A. in the university, and they barely can think after a 6 hours of teaching (two consecutive classrooms, with like half an hour of rest in each one for the students, and perhaps another informal half an hour in the middle). Sometimes they have to speak in the blackboard, sometime grade informal take ho…
On-call medicine is so rote as to not require much, if any, thinking. Ward medicine is far less intellectually challenging than teaching.
Patients who are active/critical are not managed by a single tired resident overnight.
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#338> There’s no sense of a scientific method, reasoning from first principles, or even reasoning from similar cases though. It’s all shooting in the dark, and most of the time I felt like I could have done just as good a job on these longterm issues... This articulates very well what I've usually felt when dealing with doctors. It's like the story of a programmer finding that his code outputs 5 when it should be 4, and…
House gets to choose his patients, he pre-rejects any that he doesn't want to deal with or has no ideas about, or no interest in. Real world doctors can't do that. House gets to do basically any test for any cost without having to justify it or argue with insurance, scheduling, resource constraints, practicality or side effects. If he needs an MRI, it's available, if he needs his team to spend all night tonight on blood tests in the lab, they can do that and the lab is there and they have no consequences tomorrow of having no sleep.
House has plot immunity, the worst that happens to any hospital employees as a consequence of his behaviour is the loss of a lot of potential money, or some paperwork or audit. The show never focuses on the life of the patient who has to be on dialysis forever because of House's risky intervention before he knew what was really wrong. House blackmails and barters with and sleeps with the hospital administration to get away with things no real doctor could do.
House and Wilson are named as a play on Holmes and Watson, and the original Sherlock Holmes books were notable because Holmes walked the reader through deducing interesting conclusions by looking at evidence anyone present could see but with a fresh viewpoint, things like the height of scratches on a wall. Recent Sherlock TV shows and films, he's written to magically know things that nobody could know, by means the viewer isn't shown and can't participate in, and presents them as amazing accomplishments to wow the viewer. House is the latter, in an episode I saw recently (Series five, episode 1) he is absent all episode with the usual array of organ failures and suspected pregnancy and suspected cancer, then in the last five minutes he walks in, stabs the patient in the leg, declares she has leprosy because she looked youthful, and walks out. And of course she has leprosy. It's not even good storytelling, it's a background thread for House and Wilson's interpersonal problems and his assistant's own terminal disease diagnosis.
Or to put it another way, you read a blog post about heoric troubleshooting of some tech problem and it's good reading. That's self-selected from someone who had an interesting problem and the time and skills to diagnose it and the luck of it coming to an interesting conclusion. Most troubleshooting is not that, it's mostly the basics over and over, or it's above your skill level or outside your skills, or it might not be but you can't spend time on it, or it comes to a boring conclusion like "we never got to the bottom of it before the system was decommissioned".
In Series 3, Dr Foreman goes to be head diagnostician at another hospital, pulls a House move of risk taking treatment, saves the patient, and gets fired. The dean of medicine tells him the procedures work for 95% of cases, and everyone needs to follow them in all cases because everyone thinks their hunch is in the 5%. It works for House because that's the show.
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#339I'm a nurse and I find the 7th point on the post especially relevant. I will add a disclaimer that I never worked in the ICU so I can't speak for what happens in that type of unit. There is a serious issue with the flow of information in healthcare, (or at least in the U.S, I never worked elsewhere to know if it's any different). But If you find something during your shift which will be important to know later on, it…
This is similar to problems that would often happen in car manufacturing. The person assembling the car the standard way finds a problem, but the problem doesn't get addressed, or information isn't disseminated correctly, so the cars go out with problems. Toyota developed a methodology whereby such problems are addressed immediately and fixes were disseminated immediately, and would not send a car out otherwise. That…
Good managers probably already do this, but healthcare has a very short supply of such people. It would be great if this type of improvement were the standard across the board. Let's say, for example, that you have latex and non-latex foley catheters mixed in the same bin in a supply closet. Your patients with latex allergies have gotten a latex catheter put in more than once and it now becomes a problem. Well, someone notices the issue, sends it up to someone above and now there is a new guideline to place the different catheters at least 3 feet apart, or something to that effect. It almost sounds silly, but people would be surprised how many of these mistakes happen over and over again due to equally silly reasons / lack of basic prevention.
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Like, google glasses but for ICU workers?
I was gonna say augmented reality, but there are probably low-tech options that could do the trick. I would start with "sticky note on the relevant machine" type interventions first.
To let my imagination run a little wilder, I tried to think of what a system like that would be in practice, and how it relates to the problems that we currently face with the systems we already have. As much as it would be interesting to have all that information available through some sort of AR, there are really three important things that I would like to see about a patient: code status, vital signs and how they get up from bed.
It's really crazy to me how even the simplest of stuff is buried in a chart or EMR. Most do show the patients code status easily, but quite often it is in a small little font beside not-quite-as-relevant stuff like their marital status and what type of insurance they have. Why isn't this in big bold red letters in every room and in every chart as soon as you open up a document? Even for vital signs you have to click through two or three different things to get the information you need (but thank goodness I get to see some stuff right away, like that ICD-10 code for unspecified follow up for dietary counseling!)
One thing I think a lot of people may also not realize is how little information a nurse often has to go off of when walking into a room. If I am answering a call light for a patient who is not one my assigned ones, and they are screaming that they need to go to the bathroom yesterday, and you see them with both feet planted on the floor ready to get up, you have a quick second to think about a few different things. 1) How alert is this patient? 2) How mobile are they, do we need two people in the room? 3) Is this someone with a massive diabetic ulcer who wasn't supposed to be putting any pressure on that heel at all and they are about to do just that? Of course, you can look at the whiteboard, but you better pray that it's updated haha.
So, going back to the AR stuff. If I could have a snapshot of all this information as soon as I walked into a room, it would be a life saver, especially for situations like the above.