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> Bonus: almost half of Meta employees are from Asia. That seems low for a global company as around 60% of the global population is in Asia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continents_and_contine...
But Meta’s employees aren’t uniformly distributed across the Earth so comparisons to the global population are irrelevant.
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> Bonus: almost half of Meta employees are from Asia. That seems low for a global company as around 60% of the global population is in Asia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continents_and_contine...
The idea is moreso that Meta abuses the visa system to hire SWEs on the cheap. Because America has a moderately[0]-restrictive immigration system, people who come here on a visa are committed workers. If you decide you don't want to work for one company after moving here, your options are to leave the country in 30 days or find another firm knowledgeable enough about the immigration system to adopt your existing visa…
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Wrong. Realistically assuming a 4-8x larger pool of potential male engineers, as well as assuming equal average skill among males and females, hiring 50% women is what's disgustingly sexist. If 10 woman and 40 men apply and you hire 5 each based only on sex, you are sexually discriminating against the 35 other men some of whom are statistically highly likely to be better candidates than some of the 5 women hired. Get…
It’s not identity politics to call out blatantly sexist statements that question the intelligence and capabilities of women in this field. The men aren’t being “sexually discriminated” against, they’re being competed against and that threatens you. Grow up.
Just keep it fair!
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> Bonus: almost half of Meta employees are from Asia. That seems low for a global company as around 60% of the global population is in Asia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continents_and_contine...
The idea is moreso that Meta abuses the visa system to hire SWEs on the cheap. Because America has a moderately[0]-restrictive immigration system, people who come here on a visa are committed workers. If you decide you don't want to work for one company after moving here, your options are to leave the country in 30 days or find another firm knowledgeable enough about the immigration system to adopt your existing visa…
Sincerely, someone who dealt with the nonsense of multiple European visas.
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Wrong. Realistically assuming a 4-8x larger pool of potential male engineers, as well as assuming equal average skill among males and females, hiring 50% women is what's disgustingly sexist. If 10 woman and 40 men apply and you hire 5 each based only on sex, you are sexually discriminating against the 35 other men some of whom are statistically highly likely to be better candidates than some of the 5 women hired. Get…
It’s not identity politics to call out blatantly sexist statements that question the intelligence and capabilities of women in this field. The men aren’t being “sexually discriminated” against, they’re being competed against and that threatens you. Grow up.
Can we agree that men and women are equally capable and intelligent? You have 40 male candidates and 10 female candidates. Let's say only the top 20% of all candidates are good enough. That would mean 40/5 =8 male candidates and 10/5=2 female candidates would be suitable hires.
If instead you hired 5 male and 5 female candidates under these conditions, then you would've been discriminating against male candidates in that you hired female candidates that didn't meet your "top 20% of total candidates" criteria.
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No, this is bad. Because the whole point of a diversity program is to reduce hiring based on race[0]. If a business is, say, 100% white men, it's extremely unlikely for this to have happened purely by chance. Like, "all the fast molecules in a can of air moving to one side" levels of impossible. If you want to argue that the problem is education or qualifications instead of overt refusal to hire minorities, that's on…
The crucial piece you're missing is that the problem is further upstream. Most American commercial pilots are white men. Most job applicants are too. Forcing airlines to hire people who are not qualified just to meet a quota is the absolute worst way to solve this problem. In fact, it exacerbates it. What do you think happens when you force employers to hire people who are unqualified, and those people are all women…
If your business is able to properly enforce workplace rules against harassment, then you will have more women and minorities than other firms purely because they will remain at the company. No need for quotas, diversity hires, or affirmative action.
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No, this is bad. Because the whole point of a diversity program is to reduce hiring based on race[0]. If a business is, say, 100% white men, it's extremely unlikely for this to have happened purely by chance. Like, "all the fast molecules in a can of air moving to one side" levels of impossible. If you want to argue that the problem is education or qualifications instead of overt refusal to hire minorities, that's on…
The crucial piece you're missing is that the problem is further upstream. Most American commercial pilots are white men. Most job applicants are too. Forcing airlines to hire people who are not qualified just to meet a quota is the absolute worst way to solve this problem. In fact, it exacerbates it. What do you think happens when you force employers to hire people who are unqualified, and those people are all women…
Targets can be missed, and reasons for the miss can be explored, e.g. were there sufficient qualified candidates in the pipeline? If not, what can be done about it. The hope is that over time, a target will be hit.
That said, I agree with you that quotas are problematic. They are the wrong solution for the problem of lack of diversity.
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The idea is moreso that Meta abuses the visa system to hire SWEs on the cheap. Because America has a moderately[0]-restrictive immigration system, people who come here on a visa are committed workers. If you decide you don't want to work for one company after moving here, your options are to leave the country in 30 days or find another firm knowledgeable enough about the immigration system to adopt your existing visa…
Stop fetishizing Europe, the situation is the same there in regards to the visa process(moneyed companies looking for cheap labor). Sincerely, someone who dealt with the nonsense of multiple European visas.
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Because the pool of male engineers is ~4-8x larger than female candidates, so hiring 50% women is intentionally hiring worse employees because of their genitals.
Ok, but why is the pool of engineers 80% men when the population is 50% women? I'll offer one explanation: because the women that go into the field get treated like shit and burn out. There are many documented examples of tech businesses with systemic sexual harassment problems[0]. If your business takes steps to ensure its corporate culture does not fall into that same trap, then women who don't want to be sexually…
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The 25% minorities seems trivial to hit with Asians/Indians and is probably naturally higher than that. But wow on the woman quota, I can’t imagine how easy they had to make those interviews to hit that number.
>But wow on the woman quota, I can’t imagine how easy they had to make those interviews to hit that number. :/ They said the same about MIT (50-50 gender ratio). In reality smart women just like studying with other smart women. I doubt it's different in the workplace. In other words, there's a positive feedback loop.