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Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
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Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#12Funny how findings like this get almost no attention at all, isn't it? In Europe at least I fear we lose a generation of boys. Dropout rates among young males are very alarming, and yet doesn't get the attention it needs. Future generation will not look back kindly on how we currently normalize desastreus results for overall young male education.
Well we need more boys for the army as we need to defend against Russia. We also need boys to construct heavy infrastructure / equipment. The fact that only boys are obliged to fight on the front line and do the ultimate sacrifice bother no equality champion.
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#15As for the claim of neatness, I can attest at having graded math for over 20 years that neatness of work is very impactful, particularly for partial credit. I have often caught myself just before giving different scores for essentially the same argument based on presentation. The variability in presentation can be immense, even at the post-college level. And the work often, though certainly not always, conforms to sex stereotypes.
This applies most to handwritten work, but even typed up work shows this variability in its organization and depth.
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#16Funny how findings like this get almost no attention at all, isn't it? In Europe at least I fear we lose a generation of boys. Dropout rates among young males are very alarming, and yet doesn't get the attention it needs. Future generation will not look back kindly on how we currently normalize desastreus results for overall young male education.
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#17I was doing poorly in jr high and was forced into a same sex school that ultimately saved my life. I think it's better tbh, and I will probably do the same for my kids if they are having academic issues.
I do recall reading a piece by a black author who was lamenting school desegregation. They wrote how black schools in the south were a place of community, empowerment, and organizing. The education could be about the subject, and not focused on behavior correction to fit within 'majority culture', or learning 'canonical' language idioms. In this author's view, desegregation was a means for scaling white supremacy, codifying it into curriculum and making it universal. It was about squelching and scattering communities that threatened their power.
When I read that somewhere around 2002, I wasn't able to accept it. I am a biracial adoptee that was raised in a suburban northwest evangelical home. My parents, teachers, community, and I embraced "I don't see color" and other "post-racial" forms of magical thinking. I was taught that white supremacy was about the people on the extreme fringes- sure they threw a parade for themselves a few towns over, but only a dozen people showed up. I was often told just how fortunate I was to be with my adoptive family, and how morally upright our community is. It went unspoken (or literally spoken in Small Group Bible Studies) that whites have a moral high ground, and that others are beneficiaries of their superior canon.
Its 2022 now. The masks are off. Its a lot easier to understand how widespread and institutional racism can be. As of this year, a school district could be fined 2% of its annual budget if a teacher shared what I read in 2002. I have seen naked racism all over the web (Snopes alum 2018-21)and and not just "dozens of people" a few towns over. I counted about ~215 vehicle convoy of pickup trucks and humvees drive though my neighborhood waving their rifles and insurrection flags just over 2 years ago. Now its plain to see how desegregation ultimately gave whites more power over policies and narrative vs segregated schools.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/10/10/why-are-all-the-bla...
I say all that to say I can see the same dynamic in education along the axis of gender. When the state has a de facto monopoly on the standards and practices of education it can become an instrument of oppression for whomever wields it. This supersedes the curriculum and goes to the structure of the school system itself. For example, a no recess policies and a school day that punishes movement openly discriminates especially against people who's bodies evolved to run, hide, fight, hunt, and explore. I can see gender segregation in education being really supportive to empower girls to step into roles that may have been otherwise filled by boys and visa versa.
All of this begs the question of which axes to segregate, if segregation is good. Race+gender? Neurotype? Religion?... The permutations really start to add up. How much is too much, if any?
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#18Funny how findings like this get almost no attention at all, isn't it? In Europe at least I fear we lose a generation of boys. Dropout rates among young males are very alarming, and yet doesn't get the attention it needs. Future generation will not look back kindly on how we currently normalize desastreus results for overall young male education.
Not really. Without metrics for attention and a definition of “findings like this,” your intuition is as good as mine.
I’ve seen dozens of articles and quite a few best selling books about the plight of young men. I’ve even read a few. So it seems our anecdotal intuitions cancel out.
Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#19I was doing poorly in jr high and was forced into a same sex school that ultimately saved my life. I think it's better tbh, and I will probably do the same for my kids if they are having academic issues.
I'm curious about how this played out for you. Having never experienced almost anything gendered in school aside from sports I just don't understand what the dynamic would be like. I do recall reading a piece by a black author who was lamenting school desegregation. They wrote how black schools in the south were a place of community, empowerment, and organizing. The education could be about the subject, and not focus…
I can't say I really believe it or not, but this theory explains why the state would be pushing the idea so hard.
Re: Wide and lasting consequences: Teachers give girls higher grades than boys
#20Funny how findings like this get almost no attention at all, isn't it? In Europe at least I fear we lose a generation of boys. Dropout rates among young males are very alarming, and yet doesn't get the attention it needs. Future generation will not look back kindly on how we currently normalize desastreus results for overall young male education.
Yep, apparently equality matters only when it’s girls/women who are disadvantaged.