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$477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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Re: $477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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No one is mentioning that the new FTX CEO wrote in a recent Chapter 11 filing that the hack we're discussing here was actually 2 events: the movement of ~$300 in crypto AND the dilutive printing of ~$300 in FTT. Can somebody please explain that second one? Because this makes no sense at all.

As per FT: > The “dilutive ‘minting’ of approximately $300m in FTT tokens by an unauthorised source” after FTX filed for bankruptcy. That’s along with the $372m hack. Guessing: post ftx collapse someone minted new ftt tokens. Which should be strange because only FTX should have been able to do so.

Maybe SBF & co minted more FTT in order to dump to increase fiat liquidity during the withdrawal phase, and then right after had to hand everything over to the Bahamas. This isn’t the timeline popularly floated, tho

Re: $477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SBF discussion with Vox reporter is a big hint.

My takeaway from his interview is that if you just give SBF another $10bn he can double it in a couple of months and make everyone whole again.

Yea he could create a FTFY token!

Re: $477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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Kudos to the Bahamas for actually knowing what to do and acting decisively in the public interest...

They acted decisively but -highly- suspect it is for public interest but a very small group of private interests.

At least now there is the chance of someone other than an ex-FTX-top-1%er getting something...

Re: $477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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It says right in the article SBF did it himself because the government asked him to after declaring bankruptcy.

I assume it's to get their bribe money before anyone else had a chance.

Propably not, the Bahamas have a financial safe haven reputation to preserve.

Re: $477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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> There is no crypto scheme, no algorithm, no possible arrangement of private keys and Merkle trees that can escape the reality of men with guns. On the contrary. It's the only case where maths can defend vs men with guns. Multi sig schemes spread over different people over several continents make the "men with guns" thing very difficult. Or multisig but m-out-of-n, with a dead beat: if after x weeks you don't hear o…

> $5 wrench attack, here's my real password: take the 50 millions. Oops. Decoy. I don't understand how this defeats the wrench attack. Presumably you aren't released until the actual tokens are in hand, so decoys just make the attacker angrier.

"You can beat me all day, but it's impossible for me to fulfill your demands, you'd also need to beat these other four people, and they're located all over the globe."

Someone might be quite happy to engage squads in lots of countries to kidnap and beat everyone if the payout is billions of dollars, but it's a very different problem and e.g. the Bahamas government or some local thug won't be able to do it. I have no idea how large a cartel would need to be to have reliable operatives on the ground in lots of countries, and I'd assume if you're part of a group holding the keys to those amounts of cash, you're going into lockdown when two of your associates suddenly vanish.

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Maybe, but that notion of theft seems better than to live in a world where anyone can barge up to you and, for example, take your meal, leaving you hungry. Would you agree?

Well the troll has been well fed

Re: $477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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>On the contrary. It's the only case where maths can defend vs men with guns. Didn't work in this case.

They didn't have a system set up to protect against that. Their private keys were on a shared email account

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Re: $477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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Any thoughts on why SBF lied to the Vox reporter about it being a hack? https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23462333/sam-bankman-frie... Maybe he just didn't want to have to explain some breaking news to her.

A large portion of the transferred assets were quickly traded to ETH. I wouldn’t expect that from an “asset seizure”.

Maybe the seizure didn’t happen until after the hack?

Re: $477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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Maybe this is a stupid question, but how ? Was the Bahamas' SEC holding its own copies of FTX's keys? I thought the entire point of these schemes was that this kind of seizure-by-force wasn't possible (absent exploits or insiders).

Obligatory: https://xkcd.com/538/

We often ignore the physical realities when thinking through security scenarios

Re: $477M FTX ‘hack’ was a Bahamian government asset seizure

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Any thoughts on why SBF lied to the Vox reporter about it being a hack? https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23462333/sam-bankman-frie... Maybe he just didn't want to have to explain some breaking news to her.

He didn't want others copying the idea.
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