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The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by AustinDev »

angio wrote: post #51
laputan_machine wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is under the rule of the CCP, an authortarian party to which you cannot challenge. For all democracy's failings, for the mess the US is in, and rise of populist parties in Europe, it is still freedom.

Ironically, right wing parties in the EU rose thanks to disinformation on american social media. Following this discussion's logic, Facebook and Twitter should have been banned in the EU a long time ago.

> right wing parties in the EU rose thanks to disinformation on american social media.

Citation needed. Last I heard it was mostly attributable to migration over the last couple decades.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by SighMagi »

darkteflon wrote: post #12

Utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue to operate in the current geopolitical climate. China is a surveillance autocracy and has been engaged in adversarial conduct against the West for years - including extensive psyops. Shut it down, yesterday. Build a local clone so that people can get their fix or whatever. China sure as shit doesn’t allow its citizens to cough up their personal information for algorithmi…

Have you been on TikTok? All I see on it are large breasted women, NASA stuff and dog rescues.

I do wonder if there’s any lobbying going on from Facebook or Google to help bolster their Reels and Shorts products, both of which seem to be garbage and miss the point of TikTok (the two way interaction).

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by computerfriend »

est wrote: post #395
computerfriend wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe this is correct.

How about run an actual multi site ping? Feel free to choose your own tool. https://ping.chinaz.com/www.linkedin.com https://ping.pe/www.linkedin.com

Are you in China and able to load it? I can tell you that it doesn't load from at least one region.

Ping tests are often misleading because datacenters have different connectivity than residential IPs.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by est »

computerfriend wrote: post #403
est wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about run an actual multi site ping? Feel free to choose your own tool. https://ping.chinaz.com/www.linkedin.com https://ping.pe/www.linkedin.com

Are you in China and able to load it? I can tell you that it doesn't load from at least one region. Ping tests are often misleading because datacenters have different connectivity than residential IPs.

You can test whereever you want, the point is "not a single western social network is permitted to operate in China" is factually false. Social networks are available if you aren't making "trouble" for the authorities. I am not trying to defend this or anything, the current state of affair is totally messed up, but still there are some global social networks exist in China.

btw, even 4chan is accessible in China. Imagine that.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by computerfriend »

est wrote: post #400
computerfriend wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe this is correct.

Also did you even read TFA you linked? > we are going to sunset the localised version of LinkedIn in China later this year

I read it and followed it quite closely when it happened.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by computerfriend »

not1ofU wrote: post #114
karp773 wrote: post #20

The very fact that not a single western social network is permitted to operate in China is a sufficient reason to ban TikTok in America.

I've heard an apt anology; "its a reverse opium war"

Not really reverse, since the US didn't participate in the first one.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by ncr100 »

clashmoore wrote: post #150
darkteflon wrote: post #12

Utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue to operate in the current geopolitical climate. China is a surveillance autocracy and has been engaged in adversarial conduct against the West for years - including extensive psyops. Shut it down, yesterday. Build a local clone so that people can get their fix or whatever. China sure as shit doesn’t allow its citizens to cough up their personal information for algorithmi…

So I'm an American who uses TikTok for entertainment. I don't think it's utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue. Even hearing these threats that China is possibly surveilling me - what do they get that other social media apps like Instagram get from me? From the FBI it sounds like the national security threat is that China may use it alter my feed to influence me or take over the control of my Apple phone? Ha…

It's akin to ChinaTV being popular in the USA.

The concern is China, the government, has chosen to make concerted efforts to influence the US culture through its businesses.

So would you let your kid watch a TV channel that's overtly NOT aligned with enjoying the US culture in a healthy manner?

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by computerfriend »

est wrote: post #404
computerfriend wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you in China and able to load it? I can tell you that it doesn't load from at least one region. Ping tests are often misleading because datacenters have different connectivity than residential IPs.

You can test whereever you want, the point is "not a single western social network is permitted to operate in China" is factually false. Social networks are available if you aren't making "trouble" for the authorities. I am not trying to defend this or anything, the current state of affair is totally messed up, but still there are some global social networks exist in China. btw, even 4chan is accessible in China. Ima…

Well, my only point is "[LinkedIn] works 100% well in China" is factually false.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by est »

computerfriend wrote: post #408
est wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can test whereever you want, the point is "not a single western social network is permitted to operate in China" is factually false. Social networks are available if you aren't making "trouble" for the authorities. I am not trying to defend this or anything, the current state of affair is totally messed up, but still there are some global social networks exist in China. btw, even 4chan is accessible in China. Ima…

Well, my only point is "[LinkedIn] works 100% well in China" is factually false.

If you want facts, linkedin.com still gets redirect to linkedin.cn(aka lingying.com) as of today

here's the output of curl -sv https://linkedin.com > /dev/null

* Trying 2620:1ec:21::14...

* TCP_NODELAY set

* Connected to linkedin.com (2620:1ec:21::14) port 443 (#0)

https://www.linkedin.cn/incareer/hp/

The bottom of the page says:

ICP Filing Number: 14023203

ICP License Number: 150024

PSB Filing Number: 11030102010420

Human Resources Service License: 110401715069

Beijing LingYin Information Technology Co. Ltd

Room 817, Floor 8, Building 18, No.1 Disheng North Street, Yizhuang District

Customer Service Email: cs@lingying.com

Customer Service Hotline: 4000106277

Report Email: jubao@lingying.com

Microsoft forgot to shutdown "local version".

So technically it's still 100% working well with all bells and whistles in China.

So what's your argument this time?

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