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Post by twitybirdisrot »

Things like these will lead to Twitter losing market share eventually to a more non-authoritarian platform "eventually". People want to police themselves.

Nobody likes to be policed this way. The road to tyranny is paved with good intentions. We went from "the bird is free" to the bird is free according to one minds view. Hitler also had a vision to cleanse what was deemed rotten and also had one mind. He surrounded himself with yes men and we all know where that story ended up.

It's very difficult for one mind to be aware of it's own biases especially when so much power is concentrated towards it and around you are a bunch of ass kissers who want to claw at your pockets.

Let's all call it what it is:

Twiranny!

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by krick »

I'm not using twitter (and not going to), so please explain, what that means, exactly. So, let's say it is decided by Musk&co that X (written by xxx) is a hateful Tweet.

- I am a follower of xxx. Will I see it?

- I specifically go to twitter.com/xxx. Will I find X on that page?

- X is a reply to a popular thread I'm reading right now. Will I see X?

So, what exactly being "deboosted" means on Twitter? It just won't appear among all the recommended trash on some "most popular" feed, or does it mean that it's basically invisible unless I somehow guess the specific ID of that tweet?

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

scubbo wrote: post #268
nomel wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want purely that, because I end up drowning in uninteresting tweets from everyone I follow. I want to see notable tweets, from the people I follow, because I don't care if they're eating a sandwich. I also want to see tweets I would find notable/interesting, from people I don't follow, if I knew they existed. An algorithm would help with that suggestion. What I really want is Spotify's "Discover Weekly", and…

Both of which are totally reasonable desires - but you should be the one that gets to decide which "mode" you're operating in. If you want only (and all) followees tweets - go to that view. If you want just the "greatest hits" of your followees - a second view. And if you want to trust in The Great Algorithm and take some recommendations, that's also reasonable. What I think people are really opposed to isn't necessa…

Twitter already allows the chronological timeline, though they seem to reset it back to algorithmic after some time has elapsed (or something I'm not sure what conditions reset it and it feels non-transparent/shady.)

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Post by not2b »

sangnoir wrote: post #285
not2b wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be what Elon is thinking, but some of his fans will be bitterly disappointed if he executes on it and no one sees their tweets any more because they are hateful. How can they own the libs if the libs don't see their attacks (likewise for the reverse direction)?

You may want to hold off on making any judgement until you see what will be considered "hate speech" as well the effectiveness of the Twitter sentiment analysis algorithms.

I'm not confident that they will get it right, or that they will apply it fairly; reducing the reach of the boss's tweets won't go over well.

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Post by georgeg23 »

krick wrote: post #302

I'm not using twitter (and not going to), so please explain, what that means, exactly. So, let's say it is decided by Musk&co that X (written by xxx) is a hateful Tweet. - I am a follower of xxx. Will I see it? - I specifically go to twitter.com/xxx. Will I find X on that page? - X is a reply to a popular thread I'm reading right now. Will I see X? So, what exactly being "deboosted" means on Twitter? It just won't ap…

I've discovered that if you tweet the name "Michael Griffin" + "Elon" (or "Musk"), nobody will see your tweet organically unless they search for it directly.

Michael Griffin is an important person in Elon's real (non-mythical) history that he'd probably rather you not know about,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by jasonhansel »

boole1854 wrote: post #105

Many commentators seem to think this is a sudden, recent backpedaling from a previous absolutist view on free speech. However, Musk has been promoting the "freedom of speech" vs "freedom of reach" distinction for a while, at least months before his takeover, including describing how such a policy should be implemented at Twitter. Here's one example quote from June, 2022: “I think there’s this big difference between f…

This seems like an arbitrary distinction; in the end, there's not much difference between having a tweet be removed and having it be "deboosted" until nobody sees it.

I think that Musk has realized that his free speech absolutism conflicts with his goal of increasing profits. So now he's trying very hard to find a compromise.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by krick »

georgeg23 wrote: post #306
krick wrote: post #302

I'm not using twitter (and not going to), so please explain, what that means, exactly. So, let's say it is decided by Musk&co that X (written by xxx) is a hateful Tweet. - I am a follower of xxx. Will I see it? - I specifically go to twitter.com/xxx. Will I find X on that page? - X is a reply to a popular thread I'm reading right now. Will I see X? So, what exactly being "deboosted" means on Twitter? It just won't ap…

I've discovered that if you tweet the name "Michael Griffin" + "Elon" (or "Musk"), nobody will see your tweet organically unless they search for it directly. Michael Griffin is an important person in Elon's real (non-mythical) history that he'd probably rather you not know about, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career

Was it that way before Musk bougth Twitter? Or you didn't check before?

Also, I'm still confused by what "search for it directly" means. Like, you won't see it in author's feed at all unless you have an id of that tweet? Can you find it by searching Griffin + Musk in Twitter's search bar?

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Post by kidme5 »

I've discovered that if you tweet the name "Michael Griffin" + "Elon" (or "Musk"), nobody will see your tweet organically unless they search for it directly. Michael Griffin is an important person in Elon's real (non-mythical) history that he'd probably rather you not know about,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career

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Post by hyperdimension »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #303
scubbo wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both of which are totally reasonable desires - but you should be the one that gets to decide which "mode" you're operating in. If you want only (and all) followees tweets - go to that view. If you want just the "greatest hits" of your followees - a second view. And if you want to trust in The Great Algorithm and take some recommendations, that's also reasonable. What I think people are really opposed to isn't necessa…

Twitter already allows the chronological timeline, though they seem to reset it back to algorithmic after some time has elapsed (or something I'm not sure what conditions reset it and it feels non-transparent/shady.)

Huh, strange. It seems they seem very interested in 'remembering' your "2FA" phone number but not your view preferences. Must be a bug somewhere in their DB.
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