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The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by d0mine »

dahfizz wrote: post #29
weego wrote: post #22

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The US is a surveillance pseudo-democracy. The problem here being this time they can't insert themselves into the surveillance pipeline. They're not better or worse (unless you're fine with your own Govt surveilling you but not another state), just not the status quo.

This is absurd, frankly. "The US government collects taxes on US citizens, why not let China collect taxes on US citizens? Its the same." "The US government throws US citizens in jail, why not let Chine throw US citizens in jail? Its the same." Yeah, it would be great if the Federal government turned down their surveillance. That doesn't make it okay for China to run psy-ops against us.

Should other countries ban facebook, instagram, twitter, youtube, google, etc?

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by phpisthebest »

angio wrote: post #123
phpisthebest wrote: post #101

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I would make it as a free trade argument. Trade is a 2 way street, if our companies can not compete there, then their companies should not be able to compete here.

American companies are allowed to operate in China, as long as they follow local regulation. If TikTok behaviour is concerning (it is, like google/facebook/etc are also concerning), then introduce regulations that protect users' privacy and only then ban TikTok.

As the other person said, Pretty sure they actually cant. Last I knew all China Business had to be majority owned by Chinese Citizens or CCP or both.

Americans can invest and have minority ownership in china but can not just "operate" in china like you can in the US as a Foreign company.

Infact this was the regulation trump wanted to impose on ByteDance, they needed an American partner to operate in the US, i.e they were in talks with Oracle before Biden reversed the order

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by pxc »

computerfriend wrote: post #178
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #120

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You need to specify who "our" is there. USA's upper echelons, presumably? The risks are existential to ...? Again presumably you mean those who thrive under USA-centric capitalism? You think the CCP are planning a forced takeover of Western democracy?

> You think the CCP are planning a forced takeover of Western democracy? Forced or otherwise, yes. This is the whole point of the "making the world safe for dictators" thing.

Based on what?

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by est »

computerfriend wrote: post #246
est wrote: post #194

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The abomination Linkedin.cn (force redirects, ads, bloat features) was shutdown but Linkedin.com is always accessible.

I don't believe this is correct.

How about run an actual multi site ping? Feel free to choose your own tool.

https://ping.chinaz.com/www.linkedin.com

https://ping.pe/www.linkedin.com

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Post by SkyMarshal »

unity1001 wrote: post #379
SkyMarshal wrote: post #310

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It's not impossible for other countries to affect US internet companies. The EU GDPR is probably the best example. Once that went into effect, every website began showing popups enabling users to control cookie settings for that website, even within the US to US citizens not subject to GDPR. If there's a country or block of countries with large enough population relative to US, and where US companies operate, it can…

> The EU GDPR is probably the best example And that's precisely why there is a trade war in between the US and Eu since early 2005. Because the Eu started making up its own rules and standards. TTIP, ACTA, PIPA were all attempts by the US to bring the Eu to heel. All failed. And voila - there is a proxy war that deprives the Eu out of cheap oil and gas, leading to literal deindustrialization of the Eu. https://www.bl…

You're asserting way too much causation where it's just correlation.

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Post by vorpalhex »

texaslonghorn5 wrote: post #388
vorpalhex wrote: post #350

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If you know of any Native Americans currently being genocided, please do call someone about it. Unless you are suggesting that because of some previous genocide we should ignore an ongoing one?

modern day native american healthcare inequities are the end of a long running genocidal effort

Just to be clear, you are comparing the active sterilization of Muslims in camps to.. healthcare being less available in rural indigeonous areas?

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by vorpalhex »

unity1001 wrote: post #383
vorpalhex wrote: post #349

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They are locking a distinct ethnic minority in internment camps and sterilizing their women. That is a genocide. They are attempting to remove the Uyghur people.

Every single Muslim majority country sent ministers and parliamentarians there, invesigated for months, and have not found any such thing. And yet, the exact same set of countries who lied to entire world about nonexistent Iraqi WMDs are claiming it to be true. ... 100 year old atrocity propaganda. Nothing more different than how the British smeared the Germans by saying that they raped babies in Belgium. Get out.

Sorry, you mean some of the same countries who are extraditing Uyghurs to China?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/middleeast/uyghur-arab-muslim...

I realize I'm inconvenient for you and your party line. I plan on continuing to be so.

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Post by texaslonghorn5 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #397
texaslonghorn5 wrote: post #388

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modern day native american healthcare inequities are the end of a long running genocidal effort

Just to be clear, you are comparing the active sterilization of Muslims in camps to.. healthcare being less available in rural indigeonous areas?

I don't follow. I was responding to

> If you know of any Native Americans currently being genocided, please do call someone about it.

it seemed to imply that the native american genocide was over. maybe not, I probably missed context earlier up thread. I was disagreeing with that statement.

yes of course I agree that the active sterilization / genocide / cleansing of Uighur Muslims in China exists and is a human rights violation and should be stopped. I'm not going to compare its magnitude to the native american one because one is centuries-old and ongoing and one has been going on for several years (maybe longer, I have not studied it) and both are bad. hope that answers your question.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by est »

computerfriend wrote: post #246
est wrote: post #194

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The abomination Linkedin.cn (force redirects, ads, bloat features) was shutdown but Linkedin.com is always accessible.

I don't believe this is correct.

Also did you even read TFA you linked?

> we are going to sunset the localised version of LinkedIn in China later this year

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