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Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by Natsu »

aaomidi wrote: post #134
boole1854 wrote: post #105

Many commentators seem to think this is a sudden, recent backpedaling from a previous absolutist view on free speech. However, Musk has been promoting the "freedom of speech" vs "freedom of reach" distinction for a while, at least months before his takeover, including describing how such a policy should be implemented at Twitter. Here's one example quote from June, 2022: “I think there’s this big difference between f…

Sooooo shadow bans.

The modal shadow ban is that people can't read your stuff at all, even if they go looking for it.

This is closer to the HN model where you can see it if you really want to via showdead.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by kornhole »

The main reason some of us go on Twitter is it is where the politicians and other leaders tweet. It is the only place where we can talk back to them. This talking back is probably considered negative. If our voices will be silenced, I will just subscribe to a few of the people still there using RSS feeds. All real discussion will move elsewhere.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by 35amxn35 »

phailhaus wrote: post #40

Oh great, more unaccountable black-box "algorithms" that invisibly classify your tweets. Machines can't detect satire, they don't understand nuance or context, they don't understand tone. This will affect platform speech in strange ways as people naturally attempt to evade the algorithm. Twitter needs a dislike button. Every social media platform needs a mechanism for explicit negative feedback. Yes, people will use…

No, there should be no like nor dislike button. Just number of replies.

4chan does this and it works surprisingly well.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by vkou »

commandlinefan wrote: post #65
paxys wrote: post #48

I have lost count of the number of caveats that have been applied daily to his “free speech absolutism”. Any bets on how soon he will permanently ban folks like AOC and Elizabeth Warren under some new “policy”?

> ban folks like AOC and Elizabeth Warren If he does, look for the exact same people who defended Twitter bans a year ago to suddenly become "free speech absolutists" (for a while...)

Nah, they'll probably still have the opinion that Nazis and hate speech doesn't belong on Twitter.

They'll also probably still be of the opinion that equating those groups with EW is utterly pants-on-head bonkers, and is a poster child of the kind of both-sides brain rot that the media inflicts on us a daily basis.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by ALittleLight »

nimbius wrote: post #38

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is the sort of damage control id expect to see from someone only peripherally aware of or involved in their businesses accountability or strategic operations. This concern from advertisers has existed far too long for an executive action to have any meaning. the marketing conference call on november 3rd was your red flag where advertisers voiced their displeasure with firin…

I've seen a lot of people comment, especially on Twitter, about "The checkmark fiasco that wiped billions off corporate ledgers on a friday" - but it's completely untrue.

Eli Lilly was the pharmaceutical company that attracted the most attention. Their stock was down 4% the day of a fake tweet. But pharmaceutical companies were down generally that day, some as much or more than Eli Lilly. Lots of companies had fake tweets written about them - some had good days on the stock market, some had bad - almost like stock market prices are a random walk day to day, sometimes up and sometimes down.

From a common sense perspective it's pretty implausible that an obviously fake tweet could shift market perceptions by billions of dollars. I don't think that really happened at all.

I also don't see why advertisers would care about the office lockout or layoffs. Advertisers certainly don't want their ads running next to offensive content, but if Musk can control that - why should advertisers pull out?

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by nomel »

SoftTalker wrote: post #185
boole1854 wrote: post #105

Many commentators seem to think this is a sudden, recent backpedaling from a previous absolutist view on free speech. However, Musk has been promoting the "freedom of speech" vs "freedom of reach" distinction for a while, at least months before his takeover, including describing how such a policy should be implemented at Twitter. Here's one example quote from June, 2022: “I think there’s this big difference between f…

Why not just ditch the algorithms. Go back to what twitter was in the beginning: you see the tweets of people you follow. That's it.

I don't want purely that, because I end up drowning in uninteresting tweets from everyone I follow. I want to see notable tweets, from the people I follow, because I don't care if they're eating a sandwich.

I also want to see tweets I would find notable/interesting, from people I don't follow, if I knew they existed. An algorithm would help with that suggestion.

What I really want is Spotify's "Discover Weekly", and "This song's radio", but in Twitter.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by nomel »

aaomidi wrote: post #134
boole1854 wrote: post #105

Many commentators seem to think this is a sudden, recent backpedaling from a previous absolutist view on free speech. However, Musk has been promoting the "freedom of speech" vs "freedom of reach" distinction for a while, at least months before his takeover, including describing how such a policy should be implemented at Twitter. Here's one example quote from June, 2022: “I think there’s this big difference between f…

Sooooo shadow bans.

It is per tweet, not per account. How is this a shadowban?

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by nomel »

root_axis wrote: post #174
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

I'm certainly not a fan of how Musk has handled the Twitter takeover, but this sentiment, "New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach", seems highly reasonable to me, no? That is, what I find so awful about most social media (and places like YouTube) is how they focus on some of the most anger-inducing content for "engagement". That is, I think the problem is much more their algorithms than wha…

Yeah, it's very reasonable but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter. Elon openly attacked twitter for its moderation policies and made a public spectacle about big tech censorship and styled himself as "free speech absolutist" in his own words. Now that Elon's own money is on the line he's completely done a 180 and is using the exact same reasoning to defend his moderation policies as did his detract…

> but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter.

Wasn't the status quo to ban accounts completely, due to individual tweets, rather than hide individual tweets?

This seems much much more permissive.

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