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Post by wlesieutre »

SoftTalker wrote: post #179
thomascgalvin wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point its best to hope markets dont start reconsidering your other companies as risky business. I think this is inevitable. One, Elon is trying to prop up Twitter by using SpaceX money to buy ads. He's dipping his hand into other companies to keep his new toy afloat for a while longer. I don't know if the word "contamination" is appropriate here, but it's pretty clear that Elon doesn't see any kind of sharp…

Why does SpaceX need to advertise on twitter? Who there is going to be buying their services? Come to think of it, why does SpaceX need to advertise at all? Those who need to launch rockets already know who can do it.

Starlink, not rocket launches

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by tejtm »

nimbius wrote: post #38

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is the sort of damage control id expect to see from someone only peripherally aware of or involved in their businesses accountability or strategic operations. This concern from advertisers has existed far too long for an executive action to have any meaning. the marketing conference call on november 3rd was your red flag where advertisers voiced their displeasure with firin…

It has to be deliberate. I have never been on twitter, and have not even been able read incidental twits that get pushed my way since they required JS. So it is truly a non issue one way or the other for me. But I can not see any possible goal except to not only destroy the particular company but to further destroy the idea of something like it as viable.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by AYBABTME »

boole1854 wrote: post #105

Many commentators seem to think this is a sudden, recent backpedaling from a previous absolutist view on free speech. However, Musk has been promoting the "freedom of speech" vs "freedom of reach" distinction for a while, at least months before his takeover, including describing how such a policy should be implemented at Twitter. Here's one example quote from June, 2022: “I think there’s this big difference between f…

I like the idea of having personal filters on the receiving end, sort of like how I can decide to search Google using "Safe search: Moderate" or no safe search filtering.

And I guess it makes sense to de-promote poisonous speech, since our primal brains have a tendency to naturally amplify and accord outsized importance to hate, outrage and other strong negative emotions, although those are mostly hugely detrimental to civil society.

Social harmony is underrated in the West. We're all willing to sacrifice our social fabric - and thus ultimately our averaged personal happiness - in favor of individualism. A social system like Twitter should have systems and patterns that correct for our flaws here.

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Post by snoot »

SoftTalker wrote: post #179
thomascgalvin wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point its best to hope markets dont start reconsidering your other companies as risky business. I think this is inevitable. One, Elon is trying to prop up Twitter by using SpaceX money to buy ads. He's dipping his hand into other companies to keep his new toy afloat for a while longer. I don't know if the word "contamination" is appropriate here, but it's pretty clear that Elon doesn't see any kind of sharp…

Why does SpaceX need to advertise on twitter? Who there is going to be buying their services? Come to think of it, why does SpaceX need to advertise at all? Those who need to launch rockets already know who can do it.

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Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by SoftTalker »

boole1854 wrote: post #105

Many commentators seem to think this is a sudden, recent backpedaling from a previous absolutist view on free speech. However, Musk has been promoting the "freedom of speech" vs "freedom of reach" distinction for a while, at least months before his takeover, including describing how such a policy should be implemented at Twitter. Here's one example quote from June, 2022: “I think there’s this big difference between f…

Why not just ditch the algorithms.

Go back to what twitter was in the beginning: you see the tweets of people you follow. That's it.

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Post by KerrAvon »

Kye wrote: post #114
lapcat wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla used to be a status symbol. Driving one meant you were forward thinking, that you were on the bleeding edge, and probably conscientious about the environment. I hate to break it to you, but generally only other Tesla owners feel that way. Otherwise, I doubt the public does. In fact, I personally feel the opposite, that's it's a symbol of a "techbro".

Correct. All of my few encounters with a Tesla in the wild were a near accident. That + the attitude I see from Tesla fans online cement a negative view.

My partner was sideswiped by a Tesla engineer testing Autopilot. Tesla's insurance did pay for the damages, FWIW.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by fhood »

lapcat wrote: post #95
thomascgalvin wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point its best to hope markets dont start reconsidering your other companies as risky business. I think this is inevitable. One, Elon is trying to prop up Twitter by using SpaceX money to buy ads. He's dipping his hand into other companies to keep his new toy afloat for a while longer. I don't know if the word "contamination" is appropriate here, but it's pretty clear that Elon doesn't see any kind of sharp…

> Tesla used to be a status symbol. Driving one meant you were forward thinking, that you were on the bleeding edge, and probably conscientious about the environment. I hate to break it to you, but generally only other Tesla owners feel that way. Otherwise, I doubt the public does. In fact, I personally feel the opposite, that's it's a symbol of a "techbro".

Could we avoid participating in this? The price hikes were pretty brutal, but tesla and their charging infrastructure are still at or near the top of the list when it comes to electric cars that you can actually purchase, at least from the perspective of someone looking to replace their ancient mazda in the next year or so.

Also people don't deserve to be judged by their car unless it is a modern german luxury car in which case they obviously are the kind of person who makes bad life choices.

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Post by KerrAvon »

danans wrote: post #170
jimbokun wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone outside of Twitter actually know what the criteria was for banning Tweets and Tweeters?

Look at the history of banned accounts [1] You don't need polynomial regression to figure out that nobody was being banned for traditional, non-hate and non-violence-inducing conservative or liberal speech. It's mostly harassment, threats, impersonation and disinformation. Nobody has been banned for advocating: lower taxes, higher taxes, cuts to government spending, increased government spending, abortion rights, ant…

There is a joke, I don't know the origin:

Conservative: I'm being silenced for my opinions!

Me: lowering taxes?

C: no, not that opinion

M: smaller government?

C: no, not that one

M: which opinions?

C: oh, you know the ones...

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Post by iudqnolq »

JamesianP wrote: post #60
minimaxir wrote: post #7

Note that this is the dictionary definition of shadowbanning, which is the primary thing the free speech advocates on Twitter were hoping Elon would stop Twitter from doing.

I thought the point of shadowbanning was to trick the poster into thinking their posts were visible while they were hidden from everyone else. Here it seems like the poster and anyone else can directly search for the poster's account or the "filtered" post and still see it. But I guess the tags won't work. Kind of a middle ground. Perhaps they will explicitly remove/block the tags so the poster knows this is happenin…

> But I guess the tags won't work. Kind of a middle ground. Perhaps they will explicitly remove/block the tags so the poster knows this is happening, which at least isn't tricking them.

To clarify, Musk said nothing whatsoever about tags. Another read of Musk's tweet is that your timeline won't show tweets with a negative sentiment analysis score.

Given recent events, I'm reluctant to assume Musk's vague goals will be implemented in the narrowest and most delicate way possible.

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Post by recuter »

thefaux wrote: post #177
danans wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only thing that will change now is that liberal politicians and views will start being targeted rather than conservative/alt-right ones. Conservative speech like "lower taxes are better", "extract more petroleum", and "prayer should be allowed in public school" were never targeted. The "conservative" speech banned were things like "LGBT people should have their human rights denied" and "Let's get together and a…

> That raises the question of what are the "dividends" for those parties, regardless of the financial success of Twitter. My guess is that they see twitter as the central online hub of anti-capitalist ideology, which is also correlated with marginalized identity politics. If the bankers could nip that growing movement in the bud before it fully coalesces into something with real political power, then that would seem…

Exactly! Jerry, all these big companies, they write off everything!
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