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Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

#171

So they will treat the following two tweets differently? • down with people who believe X! • long live people who believe not-X! The line between negativity and positivity is just a matter of framing.

Spot on. The terms "negativity" and "positivity" are basically tools for abuse.

You mean abuse by twitter, since it introduces subjectivity in the decision making process?

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

#172
post #38

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is the sort of damage control id expect to see from someone only peripherally aware of or involved in their businesses accountability or strategic operations. This concern from advertisers has existed far too long for an executive action to have any meaning. the marketing conference call on november 3rd was your red flag where advertisers voiced their displeasure with firin…

> At this point its best to hope markets dont start reconsidering your other companies as risky business. I think this is inevitable. One, Elon is trying to prop up Twitter by using SpaceX money to buy ads. He's dipping his hand into other companies to keep his new toy afloat for a while longer. I don't know if the word "contamination" is appropriate here, but it's pretty clear that Elon doesn't see any kind of sharp…

What accomplishments of others? They took a simple database driven tweet index, that just showed tweets as they were posted, and turned it into a politically polarized echo chamber. They created dozens of internal social “teams” to ensure their algorithm blocked what they didn’t like and showed only what they liked, and destroyed any actual discourse that was on the site at all. Elon likes the CONCEPT of Twitter, sees how simple it is once you strip away the shackles of the algorithm, and has money to burn. He’s still unfathomly rich after the acquisition. Let him do what he wants. Let him shut it down for good. Who cares? It’s his to do so with.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

#173
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point its best to hope markets dont start reconsidering your other companies as risky business. I think this is inevitable. One, Elon is trying to prop up Twitter by using SpaceX money to buy ads. He's dipping his hand into other companies to keep his new toy afloat for a while longer. I don't know if the word "contamination" is appropriate here, but it's pretty clear that Elon doesn't see any kind of sharp…

Elon deserves a lot of credit for Tesla. But now I'm starting to hear the term "Muskmobile" bandied about when people refer to his car. It's not like Tesla is the only game in town anymore either. In a weird tangent, I've been thinking about the TV Show "Ted Lasso", and why it's so popular lately. Ted Lasso is the exact opposite of Elon Musk, even to a fault. People don't care if Elon succeeds anymore, but they do wa…

"Magamobile" is the name I've been hearing. Unfortunate timing for Tesla really given that their early mover advantage has been basically eroded at this point.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

#174

I'm certainly not a fan of how Musk has handled the Twitter takeover, but this sentiment, "New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach", seems highly reasonable to me, no? That is, what I find so awful about most social media (and places like YouTube) is how they focus on some of the most anger-inducing content for "engagement". That is, I think the problem is much more their algorithms than wha…

Yeah, it's very reasonable but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter. Elon openly attacked twitter for its moderation policies and made a public spectacle about big tech censorship and styled himself as "free speech absolutist" in his own words. Now that Elon's own money is on the line he's completely done a 180 and is using the exact same reasoning to defend his moderation policies as did his detractors when he was on the other side trashing twitter.

Elon is, as usual, totally full of shit, people have a natural disdain for flippant dishonesty.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

#175
post #38

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is the sort of damage control id expect to see from someone only peripherally aware of or involved in their businesses accountability or strategic operations. This concern from advertisers has existed far too long for an executive action to have any meaning. the marketing conference call on november 3rd was your red flag where advertisers voiced their displeasure with firin…

Advertisers sure have a lot of influence in what gets published. Perhaps it's time to look critically at that. They're certainly the last group of people I'd trust with... anything. Their job is literally to manipulate people, yet somehow they became the arbiters of morality and permissibility.

> Perhaps it's time to look critically at that.

What is there to look at? If you want other people's money, chances are it'll come with strings attached.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

#177
post #120
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People’s problem with Twitter was always that they would arbitrarily decide what is or isn’t acceptable speech, and Elon’s new solution does…exactly the same thing. The only thing that will change now is that liberal politicians and views will start being targeted rather than conservative/alt-right ones. Is anyone here really naïve enough to believe that this whole saga has been about “free speech”? It is simply a sh…

> The only thing that will change now is that liberal politicians and views will start being targeted rather than conservative/alt-right ones. Conservative speech like "lower taxes are better", "extract more petroleum", and "prayer should be allowed in public school" were never targeted. The "conservative" speech banned were things like "LGBT people should have their human rights denied" and "Let's get together and a…

> That raises the question of what are the "dividends" for those parties, regardless of the financial success of Twitter.

My guess is that they see twitter as the central online hub of anti-capitalist ideology, which is also correlated with marginalized identity politics. If the bankers could nip that growing movement in the bud before it fully coalesces into something with real political power, then that would seem to be well worth $44B (which of course they wouldn't actually lose because they'd write off their losses against their taxes).

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

#178

So free speech absolutist is starting to adapt rules which are roughly similar to Twitter's current rules. And those rules are existing for a reason, rules don't popup from a thin air. What a surprise... Now he will figure out that the bloat of microservices and employees was there also for a reason.

> those rules are existing for a reason If they had applied the rules consistently, they'd be reasonable enough, but they never did or even particularly tried. I don't have any hope that Elon will, either, though.

"apply the rules consistently" is like "unbiased journalism", it is an impossible standard that literally nobody adheres to. Further, anyone claiming intentional bias in moderation behavior is just making it up because there are thousands of moderation decisions made every day, the details of which they are not privy to.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

#179
post #38

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is the sort of damage control id expect to see from someone only peripherally aware of or involved in their businesses accountability or strategic operations. This concern from advertisers has existed far too long for an executive action to have any meaning. the marketing conference call on november 3rd was your red flag where advertisers voiced their displeasure with firin…

> At this point its best to hope markets dont start reconsidering your other companies as risky business. I think this is inevitable. One, Elon is trying to prop up Twitter by using SpaceX money to buy ads. He's dipping his hand into other companies to keep his new toy afloat for a while longer. I don't know if the word "contamination" is appropriate here, but it's pretty clear that Elon doesn't see any kind of sharp…

Why does SpaceX need to advertise on twitter? Who there is going to be buying their services?

Come to think of it, why does SpaceX need to advertise at all? Those who need to launch rockets already know who can do it.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

#180

I'm certainly not a fan of how Musk has handled the Twitter takeover, but this sentiment, "New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach", seems highly reasonable to me, no? That is, what I find so awful about most social media (and places like YouTube) is how they focus on some of the most anger-inducing content for "engagement". That is, I think the problem is much more their algorithms than wha…

I'm actually really pleased with how well youtube avoids serving you rage bait once you have made it clear to the algorithm you aren't interested.
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