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Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by leereeves »

currency wrote: post #349
leereeves wrote: post #314

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> if [Steve Jobs] came in and bought my employer and then just started firing whole teams and fucking up the product while taking away perks and demanding more work Isn't that pretty much what Steve Jobs did when he came back to Apple as CEO? "Ultimately, Jobs axed more than 70 percent of Apple’s hardware and software products." "His product cuts resulted in the layoffs of over 3000 employees" "Jobs managed to force…

He did do the firing whole teams bit, but not the fucking up the product bit. I assume, for example that Apple didn't need as many finance people after the cuts, but he didn't manage to make the whole department quit in disgust.

Twitter still seems to work as well as ever, so it's too early to claim Musk fucked up the product. And far too early to claim he won't introduce a better product.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by anigbrowl »

alfor wrote: post #173
westpfelia wrote: post #94

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What part would be changing the world? Seems like at the most hes going to eventually do a lap and twitter will end up where it started, just saddled with 900 million dollar a year debt fees. At worst just a place where saying the N word is more acceptable.

"What part would be changing the world?" - Break up the cartel that is mass media + tech giants + democrats - The control on the narrative determine what people think, how they votes, where the world goes. - Making this open and transparent will disrupt many entrenched interests. Huge potential

I'm guessing you also refer to 'best Korea.'

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by partiallypro »

csydas wrote: post #294
partiallypro wrote: post #227

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While true, engineers ae SpaceX are much much harder to replace that web devs/engineers at Twitter, which are a dime a dozen. With so many in the Valley cutting jobs, if Twitter needs to hire new engineers, I don't think they'll have issues finding them.

For me it's not so certain; I think that most of the devs/engineers at Meta, Twitter, et. al., might get a bit of cold feet with the biggest tech companies and with Silicon Valley in general. I think smaller companies and upstarts have a chance to get some great talent that will be strongly considering their living situation and looking for something more stable, but I'm not so sure that Twitter is going to have its…

Upstarts that I know of are struggling with funding, so I don't think that opportunity is as big as it once was.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by themitigating »

systemvoltage wrote: post #172
themitigating wrote: post #83

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1. Supporting the Republican party who I hate for lying about or supporting people who lied/are lying about election fraud. 2. Linking to an article that claimed Paul Pelosi's attacker was involved in a gay love triangle and it was a lover's quarrel. 3. Pedo guy 4. Making blue check marks paid leading to many parody accounts mimicking companies making offensive tweets. Then when those companies cut advertising claimi…

> Republican party who I hate I switched to Republican party since 2020 election, I wouldn't vote for election deniers [1] but plenty of people are doing the right thing. Rationality and reason seems to have shifted from liberals to conservatives. We can't even say biological facts. Many others are leaving the woke non-sense, I want my damn liberal party back from the 90's that was pro free speech and had a kernel of…

"Not this CCP-like authoritarianism path that we're heading towards."

The Republican party is moving us towards Facism.

You are complaining about woke culture but that's something people do. What laws have Democrats proposed that has to do with being "woke". Let me ask that in another way. How does voting for Republicans change woke culture?

The election deniers are being supported by the Republican party,including financially. They could kick them out at anytime. It's a two way relationship, a person has to be a republican and they must accept that person. By allowing people like MGT to be in the party it's a tacit approval of their views

As for free speech , the Republican party had put into law multiple restrictions on freedom of speech in the last four years, give me an example of one law the Democrats created that restricted speech?

If you need sources from me let me know

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by freejazz »

djanogo wrote: post #188
bastawhiz wrote: post #125

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What does "committed" look like to you? The promise of working more for the same or less? What upside is there for folks who "commit"? Besides personal gratification, is it even remotely likely that Twitter will do something at this point to pull untold riches from thin air that would somehow benefit these people? From the sound of it, no.

The engineers (don't care about non-engineers) who quit need to face the fact that were part of "company" which gave negative returns to both public and private investors for almost a decade. I think "committed" will still be 8 hours/day, like I said he sussed out people who are "triggered" by words or don't love what they do.

Why would an engineer care about that? I see this kind of sentiment expressed here frequently and it's so bizarre. Engineers make products, they don't design them, they don't make the determination that they are marketable or profitable, that is all on the business end of things. Why would an engineer care? Why do people impart an absurd obligation onto twitter engineers?

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by dougSF70 »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #327
systemvoltage wrote: post #161

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Why are billionaires immoral? That seems completely backwards. They created value not by coercion, but by commerce and improved the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJwAYJ9B08 The whole pie has gotten larger since the industrial revolution and has lifted people out of poverty at an unprecendented rate through Capitalism. The current zeitgeist in places like HN and in progressive circles is worrying. There was…

I am pro capitalism and I don't think that the creation of value by billionaires is immoral. The immoral part comes after that when they sit on their horde of money, far too much for anyone to spend in 10 lifetimes, while they should be giving it to people and causes that need it. The only one of the "mainstream", household name billionaires that gets it seems to be MacKenzie Scott.

He used $10bn of tesla stock to buy twitter (probably).

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by anigbrowl »

snowwrestler wrote: post #52
elunmask wrote: post #18

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Trump highlighted this program in his 2024 announcement yesterday, We will again have peace through strength. We will protect our people from the unthinkable threat of nuclear weapons and hypersonic missiles, the United States must also build a state of the art next generation missile defense shield, we need it, the power of these missiles and the power of a word that I refuse to say, nuclear, we have to have it, we…

If "most Republicans including DeSantis also support the program," why did Musk supposedly have to spend $44 billion to buy Twitter to influence them? This story makes no sense.

There are other aerospace contractors. Musk spent $44 billion to influence the public, whose consent needs to be manufactured for the train of existing institutions to keep rolling. Enough public discourse happens on Twitter to make it territory worth capturing.

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Post by Apocryphon »

memish wrote: post #259
systemvoltage wrote: post #60

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Yea, I have friends who work at SpaceX and seems to be doing just fine. The zeitgeist on HN is basically if you ever do anything challenging, don't even think about it, it is bad for your mental health. You probably should just concede in life, don't work hard, regress into resentment for "rich people" and make sure no one else succeeds. What kind of a shitty place has this become? Supposed to be "Hacker News". Not a…

It's says something when the greatest living hacker, George Hotz, now wants to work at Twitter. But so many of the readers of "hacker news" can't even imagine why.

John Carmack is still probably the greatest living hacker.

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Post by dredmorbius »

PKop wrote: post #69
jcranmer wrote: post #33

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Twitter is collapsing so quickly and in such spectacular fashion that it would probably be better to have some sort of permathread that consolidates the latest updates on Twitter. At the rate it's going, Twitter may be spared all of the lawsuits coming its way simply by virtue of not existing by the time the lawsuits can come to fruition.

Website and app working fine for me. Don't really see this "spectacular collapse" everyone seems to wish would happen

"Twitter" isn't just the technical website infrastructure, though that itself is now at grave risk:

https://how.complexsystems.fail/>

It's also:

- Twitter, the advertising-driven business model, which advertisers are fleeing.

- Twitter, the institutional knowledge, technical and otherwise, which is now fleeing.

- Twitter, a government-regulated (FTC and possibly other consent decrees / orders) enterprise. See for example: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/05/...>

- Twitter, the contributors community, now rather noisily debarking for other pastures.

On all these counts, Twitter is in the process of collapsing, and/or approaching a state where such collapse is inevitable.

Pedantic limited-scope literal reading would be a flawed assessment.

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Post by pyb »

partiallypro wrote: post #227
m_ke wrote: post #135

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Engineers interested in cars or rockets have way fewer exciting options than web devs working at Twitter.

While true, engineers ae SpaceX are much much harder to replace that web devs/engineers at Twitter, which are a dime a dozen. With so many in the Valley cutting jobs, if Twitter needs to hire new engineers, I don't think they'll have issues finding them.

If this were true, they'd be earning more.
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