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Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by seydor »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

I'm certainly not a fan of how Musk has handled the Twitter takeover, but this sentiment, "New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach", seems highly reasonable to me, no? That is, what I find so awful about most social media (and places like YouTube) is how they focus on some of the most anger-inducing content for "engagement". That is, I think the problem is much more their algorithms than wha…

I don't see a difference between censorship and demonetization/"deboosting". end up in the same situation via different means. No centralized medium can claim to do that seriously, it's a waste of resources and attention.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

mabbo wrote: post #16

It's all about economics of demand for what Twitter is offering: advertising. Elon's changes have massively harmed the value of an ad on Twitter. Moderation teams are massively cut, meaning advertisers have to worry about their products beside hate speech or worse. At the same time, Elon is explicitly un-banning people who were banned for hate speech, promising that no ads will show beside their future hate speech- i…

Exactly. This is the same thing youtube did by taking away the downvote count. This is all about advertising.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by [deleted] »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

I'm certainly not a fan of how Musk has handled the Twitter takeover, but this sentiment, "New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach", seems highly reasonable to me, no? That is, what I find so awful about most social media (and places like YouTube) is how they focus on some of the most anger-inducing content for "engagement". That is, I think the problem is much more their algorithms than wha…

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Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by elgenioso »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

I'm certainly not a fan of how Musk has handled the Twitter takeover, but this sentiment, "New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach", seems highly reasonable to me, no? That is, what I find so awful about most social media (and places like YouTube) is how they focus on some of the most anger-inducing content for "engagement". That is, I think the problem is much more their algorithms than wha…

This is not a solvable problem. There is no algorithmic way to detect speech that needs to be boosted and deboosted on social media because there is no way to actually algorithmically detect what is truthful and what is just manipulative propaganda and marketing.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by garyfirestorm »

elgenioso wrote: post #4
Ztynovovk wrote: post #2

Elon “free speech” Musk. >Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted & demonetized. Guess this guy finally realized that a free for all model is not feasible.

It's impossible to detect negative sentiment purely by text. It's an unsolvable problem.

True! How would it detect sarcasm. For eg. I love what he is doing to Twitter

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by paxys »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

I'm certainly not a fan of how Musk has handled the Twitter takeover, but this sentiment, "New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach", seems highly reasonable to me, no? That is, what I find so awful about most social media (and places like YouTube) is how they focus on some of the most anger-inducing content for "engagement". That is, I think the problem is much more their algorithms than wha…

People’s problem with Twitter was always that they would arbitrarily decide what is or isn’t acceptable speech, and Elon’s new solution does…exactly the same thing. The only thing that will change now is that liberal politicians and views will start being targeted rather than conservative/alt-right ones. Is anyone here really naïve enough to believe that this whole saga has been about “free speech”? It is simply a shift of power from the left to the right, financed by a handful of billionaires, Wall Street banks and Saudi/Qatari Princes.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

memish wrote: post #5

There's still a question of how "negative/hate" is defined and whether this will be transparent. I'm skeptical, but the general principle of discouraging and not profiting from negativity is, uh, positive.

"negative/hate" will be defined by the advertisers.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by nimbius »

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is the sort of damage control id expect to see from someone only peripherally aware of or involved in their businesses accountability or strategic operations. This concern from advertisers has existed far too long for an executive action to have any meaning. the marketing conference call on november 3rd was your red flag where advertisers voiced their displeasure with firing large swaths of the content moderation team. The checkmark fiasco that wiped billions off corporate ledgers on a friday of active trading left a pretty sore spot with them as well that you never seemed to completely address. To corporations looking at this release today youre just some guy dragging a plumbing fixture through the lobby of your new office demanding hardcore work and cutting staff and --lets be honest-- at least Chainsaw Al Dunlap made stockholders rich in the process of scorching earth. So far youve just made the entire platform look like the bombing of dresden.

by the 14th most reasonable advertisers had paused their spend if not backed out entirely.

but after the bombshell office lockout and mass exodus today? to think a ToS change with a skeleton crew of H1B's and lifers that arent even allowed at their desks is going to reverse the course of decline is farcical. This is the kind of massive failure that triggers disaster recovery plans. This ship is sinking, and whatever life thats valued on it will either jump ship to a competing platform or Mastodon. You took a 44bn USD risk and managed to absolutely destroy any credibility in your leadership in under a month. At this point its best to hope markets dont start reconsidering your other companies as risky business.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

So free speech absolutist is starting to adapt rules which are roughly similar to Twitter's current rules. And those rules are existing for a reason, rules don't popup from a thin air. What a surprise...

Now he will figure out that the bloat of microservices and employees was there also for a reason.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by phailhaus »

Oh great, more unaccountable black-box "algorithms" that invisibly classify your tweets. Machines can't detect satire, they don't understand nuance or context, they don't understand tone. This will affect platform speech in strange ways as people naturally attempt to evade the algorithm.

Twitter needs a dislike button. Every social media platform needs a mechanism for explicit negative feedback. Yes, people will use it to downvote ideas they don't like. Yes, it will come with its own challenges. That's how real life works. It doesn't make that speech disappear, it just deprioritizes it.

Given that he already wants to do this, it's better to let humans have input than to pretend as if algorithms know what's best for us.

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