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#121
In my opinion it is mostly because people have things that they want to say. They're most often not interested in answering your question but seeking to use it as a jumping off point for what they want to talk about. This is why some people always end up circling back over the same pet subjects no matter how specific a yes/no question you ask them.

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#123
Some years ago I decided to take communications seriously and read a bunch of books on it. It was a major shift in how I view it.

Good communications isn't merely about speaking well[1], but about handling how others speak. If you are frustrated with people never giving simple answers to simple questions (as I often am), it is you who needs to adapt and change strategies. The expectation that a question that should have a simple "Yes/no" response will be answered as such is not a deficiency in the other party.

So to communicate well means to learn skills/strategies to handle a variety of communication styles.

One other thing to keep in mind: People are like objects in code that have a hidden state (their experience and views in the world). When you say something to them - no matter how plain, that hidden state is going to morph their understanding and how they interpret what you say. The solution is to learn how to get them to reflect back to you what they think you are saying (without annoying them).

Now in a given work place, it's not reasonable to expect all employees to understand how effective communications works, and it does make sense for the workplace to have guidelines on it - and those that think differently have to adapt. I'm certainly not arguing for "Let people speak how they speak and the onus is completely on you to adapt" (in the workplace).

[1] However you define "well" - there is no consensus on it. Being concise and precise is not it.

Re: Ask HN: Why do some people not communicate clearly?

#125
Personal answers from a spacey SWE:

> don't have some level of clarity in their train of thought and speech

When I am working on a software project, especially a big one, a lot of my brain power is dedicated to holding a mental model of how it works, how the pieces fit together, and what the variables are. Even while I'm not working, a large block of my mental capacity is occupied. In the most extreme cases, I've had trouble coherently communicating/finishing sentences.

> generally over-complicate matters by wandering off to other related subjects and extending the scope of the discussion

Sometimes when I start answering a question, my brain will follow a series of thoughts and free associations. Part way into an answer I'll have forgotten what the question was. This probably ties into the above, but it's also just how my mind works. This might be a common trait amongst developers?

Re: Ask HN: Why do some people not communicate clearly?

#126

Maybe they do communicate clearly, but from their perspective you are the one who's just not getting what they mean, despite they expressed it in concise, elegant way. People are coming from various cultures and backgrounds, you should accept that it means that communication style can be very different. In all cases, be patient and ask questions till you are satisfied.

This is almost always incorrect. Many (most) people objectively are bad at communication. If you cannot make your point of view clear to anyone but yourself, you are bad at communication.

Re: Ask HN: Why do some people not communicate clearly?

#127
post #85

My favorite form of poor communication: --- ME: Is X true? And if it is, does that mean Y would also true? THEM: Yes, Y would be true. skip a beat ME: Ok, so to be clear, X is true? THEM: No, X isn't true. ME IN MY HEAD: :facepalm: --- This happens all the time , and is why I've learned to simply not write multiple or compound questions per message in Slack. They have to be broken up into single questions I ask one a…

I think your questions were answered correctly by someone who was rather patient with you (am assuming the direct leader, but only speculating). You asked if Y would be true given that X is true. It's called leading the question. The other party agreed with your assertion, hence the "would" as in "Y would be true, IF X were true," with the emphasis on the if being mine. Then you used that to assume X is true, which t…

Also "X implies Y" isn't commutative, so even if Y is true X may not be.

Plus colloquially if asked a two part "or" question, there is some ambiguity in a single part answer, but usually a "yes" will refer to the second part.

"Shall we go to the shop or the café?" "Yes." -> café.

This drives computer programmers nuts because we're so used to thinking in boolean logic terms but it's very common.

Re: Ask HN: Why do some people not communicate clearly?

#128

Lots of people are afraid to say "I don't know" in my experience. Although, sometimes people ask me a question where I have to work out in my head what the answer is and it feels weird to sit there in silence for 15 seconds as I do so.

> Although, sometimes people ask me a question where I have to work out in my head what the answer is and it feels weird to sit there in silence for 15 seconds as I do so.

I've had to train myself to actually respond in this situations "let me think about that for a second". Because although the silence is awkward it is way better than rambling off and getting something wrong or having someone interrupt your train of thought by trying to ask again or saying something else before I've actually had time to think about it. For that last part, I've also found it helps if you make really exaggerated "thinking gestures" (look up with a very quizzical expression on your face, tap your had, stroke your chin, etc.).

Re: Ask HN: Why do some people not communicate clearly?

#129

Not your exact question but I think some people miss providing context because they don’t or can’t see through another’s viewpoint and do a diff on what the other person knows or doesn’t.

This is a huge part of it. Most people just can't keep track of what people outside their own heads would know. So they end up over explaining things that don't need it and not explaining at all things the other person doesn't know.

Re: Ask HN: Why do some people not communicate clearly?

#130
Idk your context but usually politicians communicate this way, they never give a straight answer to the question. They are taught to do so. It's the standard way to get attention and distract from the point / question, attacking opponents, asking more questions... Of course, there are plenty of other reasons for that.
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