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Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices

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Post by dmitriid »

anony999 wrote: post #143
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #80

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> law allows newer standards to be used. USB-C is just the required minimum Nobody is going to put two ports on a phome. Required minimum is the legislated maximum for physical interfaces.

Apple just started doing that. It put usb-c on the newer macbooks along with its old/back from the dead magnetic connector.

> Apple just started doing that. It put usb-c on the newer macbooks

Just? Apple was probably the first company to go full in on USB-C with Macbook Pro in 2016, 6 years ago

Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

mrtksn wrote: post #65
constantcrying wrote: post #53

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>If a significant advance in charging connectors is made, they can simply amend the law. How would the makers of these laws know this? How would you determine the quality of a connector if you do not have benchmarks like manufacturer adoption, market demand, longevity in the field? What will effectively happen is that the USB implementers forum will become a state(s) sponsored organization with a monopoly on defining…

They can see this great new hypothetical charging port during their trip to the USA, the land of cable freedom.

About land of freedom, in some states its illegal to collect rainwater that falls on your house. Thats because there is is 'freedom' to sell water rights. (if I have that correct). So freedom is also unfreedom.

That is something of a mindfuck for the rest of the world.

Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

philliphaydon wrote: post #40
mrtksn wrote: post #28

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Why would that be a problem at all? If a significant advance in charging connectors is made, they can simply amend the law. These laws don't say you can't make better chargers, they say if you make a mass produced device from the provided categories and it's going to charge by cable you will need to make sure that it has at least one USB-C charging port. Besides, this is only in EU(and India now). Sure, there's a Bru…

> Why would that be a problem at all? If a significant advance in charging connectors is made, they can simply amend the law. The problem is if the law of 1 country is not amended then you have fragmentation. What does apple do? Change for 1 country and be fined in another? Not release in some countries? Have different devices?

> The problem is if the law of 1 country is not amended then you have fragmentation. What does apple do?

The Planet is a big place, the idea that could even produce one product for the entire world would be crazy for most of human history.

Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices

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Post by piva00 »

realgeniushere wrote: post #146
anony999 wrote: post #139

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Apparently Apple is even slower than the slow bureaucrats

Your comment misses the point of the entire discussion. No one has even claimed that Apple was merely slow. It was pure profit motive.

How do you suggest to have some control over pure profit motives then?

Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices

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Post by piva00 »

marmetio wrote: post #152
Acinyx wrote: post #94

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I don't think you understand: It has to be USB-C or better. So if USB-D (or a worse name knowing the consortium) comes out, the idea behind the law is that it should also be allowed _instead_ of a USB-C port. IANAL though, so I am unsure how well they legally described that requirement.

So there's no way for a startup to create a new connector because they'd have to go through the USB implementor's forum.

"Think of the startups" is the standard flavour of "think of the children" on Hacker News.

No, there's no way for a startup selling handheld mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld videogame consoles, portable speakers, e-readers, keyboards, mice, portable navigation systems, earbuds or laptops to invent their own shiny new connector for charging without providing support for USB-C at the same time.

What exactly is lost if a startup is not able to shove their proprietary connector instead of using the standard? A startup selling floor lamps can't sell their own proprietary power plug and outlet either.

Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices

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Post by constantcrying »

anony999 wrote: post #161
constantcrying wrote: post #90

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>Aren't phones getting larger and larger pretty much every year? Not really. And the choice between battery life and a second charging port nobody cares about, because it isn't "the one" is rather obvious.

I believe today's iphones are larger than the first iphones. Am I wrong? Not to mention the Samsung high-end stuff.

What are you even debating here? You said phones get larger every year, they really do not. Although in the past smaller phones have been more common. There is no contradiction.

This also misses the point entirely. The point being, the number of ports decreases the volume available for everything else.

Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices

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Post by constantcrying »

xigoi wrote: post #160
constantcrying wrote: post #29

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Two charging ports do not work on a phone, space is tight in there already. >Especially if the port is a brand new standard you'll never be able to borrow a charge cable for from a friend. The solution to that are adapters.

> The solution to that are adapters. How often do you forget your charger, but somehow have an adapter?

Is that a reason to make a product worse?

What if I buy a water bottle, but I forget to fill it with water?

Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices

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Post by whatwherewhy »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #182
speleding wrote: post #177

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They European Union still does not have a single 230V power plug, decades after being founded. The industry has been asking for it since forever. You, sir, are an optimist.

Ripping every single plug socket and outlet out in 80% of the living spaces in the EU is neither cheap nor popular, so "industry asking for it" will not be enough. Your comparison is a bad one.

Many electrical outlets now have USB ports... And now it's supposed to be USB-C... And then something else - it's going to be just as hard.

Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices

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Post by constantcrying »

anony999 wrote: post #158
constantcrying wrote: post #118

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As a non-apple person I still think that the lightning connector is far superior to Micro-USB. And I would have been vehemently against a legally mandated Micro-USB port. USB-C is quite a good standard, but it also incorporated some of the features of lightning, e.g. rotational symmetry, a significant usability enhancement. The question is: could e.g. apple create a port which is significantly superior to USB-C, the…

>> The question is: could e.g. apple create a port which is significantly superior to USB-C, the way lightning was superior to Micro-USB? I think there is already one: MagSafe/MagSafe2. Is it worth a new pile of chargers/wires along usb-c? I think no. Even apple discontinued it for a while.

Can I plug in a monitor over MagSafe?
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