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And thank goodness for that. Nobody wants to deal with dongles everywhere
Okay but that doesn’t address my point or defend yours.
Mostly because I can’t tell what you’re trying to say
India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
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Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We would have been stuck with micro USB for eternity if it wasn't for Apple Amending laws takes much less time than eternity. Lawmakers are people, they can process information and make changes when appropriate. You can be sure that the industry will not forget to remind them when a change seems sensible.
They European Union still does not have a single 230V power plug, decades after being founded. The industry has been asking for it since forever. You, sir, are an optimist.
Ripping every single plug socket and outlet out in 80% of the living spaces in the EU is neither cheap nor popular, so "industry asking for it" will not be enough. Your comparison is a bad one.
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
What? USB-C won aside from one holdout. Apple wasn’t even trying to get other companies to adopt Lightning.
It won because the legislative interfered. Apple just couldn't be bothered to play ball while it wasn't outright mandated, which is why we're now in this shitty situation. And as mkbhd said a while ago, it's extremely unlikely that apple will introduce USB-C now as well. They'll likely pivot to wireless charging exclusively and get rid of all external connectors.
Apple have already said they’ll introduce it
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#184Good job. Basically anything up to 100w, unless it has some other niche requirement (waterproof, etc) should be mandated USB C, IMHO.
I'm concerned about how much regulations we are introducing
Indeed, on the other hand this should be an opportunity to dispense with a whole load of regulations related to powering small devices, and just replace it all with "USB C".
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
They European Union still does not have a single 230V power plug, decades after being founded. The industry has been asking for it since forever. You, sir, are an optimist.
Ripping every single plug socket and outlet out in 80% of the living spaces in the EU is neither cheap nor popular, so "industry asking for it" will not be enough. Your comparison is a bad one.
The parent suggests that bureaucrats could simply change this unified charging port after a while. By that time there will be just as many USB-C ports as there are 230V outlets.
Most of Europe already has a standard 230V plug (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuko). It would probably be easier to get a unified 230V power plug than to change the USB-C port again after a decade.
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
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In its first incarnation the industry proposed micro USB as a charging standard. I think we can agree that's a pretty poor choice, connectors that break easily, only go in one way, and low power. So Apple was right to ignore it. We would have been stuck with micro USB for eternity if it wasn't for Apple. I realise they may not have objected out of the kindness of their hart, but good thing they did.
> We would have been stuck with micro USB for eternity if it wasn't for Apple Amending laws takes much less time than eternity. Lawmakers are people, they can process information and make changes when appropriate. You can be sure that the industry will not forget to remind them when a change seems sensible.
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#187Given that this whole thing was about forcing one bad player, Apple, to do the right thing, why not sunset these laws in five to ten years? That way, future innovators don’t have to first get this requirement repealed. USB-C is not the be-all end-all of charging ports. Note for example the female connector with the fragile plastic piece in the middle. Better alternatives will emerge but now they have to pass through…
Because we already know what happens when a common port is not mandated. Seriously, before this law was put in place, Europe had been asking companies to agree on a common charging port for more than a decade. The first Memorandum of Understanding on the subject was signed in 2009. Amusingly Apple did sign it before deciding to simply ignore it. That was followed by a directive in 2014 and an impact assessment in 201…
To piggyback on this excellent response: USB C is very good. There is no foreseeable reason to have to change anything for a long long time.
Implemented with durable materials and good machining practices, USB C can last a lifetime of plug cycles. The standard lends itself to extremely durable design relative even to the tank that is USB A. The C standard is for 10,000 cycles, but this is only technically a minimum. USB A only specifies 1,500 technically, but A connectors have been manufactured that last 20,000. This all alludes to the idea that USB C is just a standard, and it doesn’t indicate exactly how the connector is designed.
The situation with bandwidth is similar. Bandwidth has many other bottlenecks. The speed with which data is written to a flash drive, for example, has nothing to do with the port itself anymore. Similarly to the durability issue, it’s going to be a long long time before the functionality of USB C is associated with more than 80 GB/s.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
It won because the legislative interfered. Apple just couldn't be bothered to play ball while it wasn't outright mandated, which is why we're now in this shitty situation. And as mkbhd said a while ago, it's extremely unlikely that apple will introduce USB-C now as well. They'll likely pivot to wireless charging exclusively and get rid of all external connectors.
Apple have already said they’ll introduce it
You’re misinformed. they said they’ll adhere to the regulation, and the regulation only requires usb-c if a physical charging port is available.
A lot of news outlets took that as confirmation, but it was never explicitly stated.
We’ll see in 2024 if Apple chooses to remove the connector altogether or switch to usb-c. My money is on the removal.
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because legislatures are incredibly short sighted and ignorant when it comes to technology. ("Would you like to accept cookies on this site you chose to visit, if not it won't work and you should probably leave")
Don't blame the legislators for malicious compliance. Don't set cookies (which is the perfectly reasonable thing to do for read-only visitors of many sites) and no consent is required. And if the user registers for an account then they can be informed as part of the signup because it's a technical necessity to maintain a login, again no banner needed.
You can set cookies. You can store data that's required for your site to function. You are not required to ask anything when doing that.
For storing more than that and especially for handing user data off to greedy advertisement leeches you must ask for user consent.
When asking user for consent, opting out must be as easy as opting in. If the user opted out, the site must continue to provide functionality.
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#190While I was pretty sympathetic to the EU law, I am very strongly against this for India.
The reason many of the lowest end phones don't have USB-C is because switching to usb-c would make the phones more expensive to produce. Forcing producers to switch will drive up the cost of low-margin smartphones, hurting many Indians for whom affording any smartphone is an issue.
It is simply insane to make a regulation that drives up the price of the cheapest phones, such that the richest people of India get a slight convenience.