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The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns
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Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns
#122A recent tiktok trend hitting my city and others seems to be calling in/airdropping/swatting/posting active shooter threats at local schools. So far, this has shut down my kid's school several times this year. TikTok gets to be the vector for this new scale of virality, America loses future economic competitiveness. Who is the winner in this scenario? https://www.spieltimes.com/news/what-is-tiktoks-active-shoot... ht…
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
That argument makes no sense, because we do not want to mirror other countries. Instead, there are substantial arguments about freedom of speech and accountability. Even though they are messy, they are what we need to apply here because they are a legally binding framework that we built over decades. By the way, I found Levitski and Ziblatt's book "How Democracies Die" [1] a pretty good treatment of these issues of b…
I would make it as a free trade argument. Trade is a 2 way street, if our companies can not compete there, then their companies should not be able to compete here.
American companies are allowed to operate in China, as long as they follow local regulation. If TikTok behaviour is concerning (it is, like google/facebook/etc are also concerning), then introduce regulations that protect users' privacy and only then ban TikTok.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's obviously entertainment. it's not obvious to me at all, in France it's used by islamist organisations to push for communitarianism and separatism, I don't call that entertainment https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/de-youtube-a-tiktok... https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/france/111122/ados-en-abaya... https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2019/10/23/de-la-propa...
By that logic paintings aren't art because the Soviets made some for propaganda purposes.
ISIS decapitation videos aren't cinema, yet they're videos, the medium doesn't matter, what matters is the message. Unless you want to show ISIS decapitation video at Cannes ?
If you want to play on words we can do that all day long, the problem is that it doesn't change the reality, and the reality is that like any other medium it's used for nefarious things, the second problem is that modern technology enables a small amount of people to have an increasingly greater reach and larger audience with fewer and fewer restrictions
If you can't see the difference between a soviet era propaganda painting and a 24/7 tool behing used 45 to 90 minute every single day on average by millions of kids/teenagers in their formative years I just feel sad for you to be honest.
I can kill someone with a fork, I can kill someone with a 100mt nuke, will you argue they are the same ?
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
sigh can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? If Tiktok the app is performing surveillance, ban surveillance by apps . All of them. Or make it technically impossible to escape its little sandbox, and let people have their entertainment.
> can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? Let's have reciprocal rules. If country X bans US social media then why shouldn't the US do the same?
Because USA supposedly values freedom of conscience and actions (within a framework) of its citizens, something it says distinguishes it from China. If they're distinguished in this way then them acting differently is expected.
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#126Utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue to operate in the current geopolitical climate. China is a surveillance autocracy and has been engaged in adversarial conduct against the West for years - including extensive psyops. Shut it down, yesterday. Build a local clone so that people can get their fix or whatever. China sure as shit doesn’t allow its citizens to cough up their personal information for algorithmi…
sigh can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? If Tiktok the app is performing surveillance, ban surveillance by apps . All of them. Or make it technically impossible to escape its little sandbox, and let people have their entertainment.
China isn't going to listen to your rules. Ban whatever you want, Chinese companies don't have to comply, and don't have to tell you when they're not complying...
Unless you audit every foreign app's source code and sign its binaries, those laws are meaningless. And if you do that you're really just swapping foreign advertising for domestic wiretapping. shrug Lose-lose.
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Aren't influence operations free speech? (thread locked after 1,397,957 comments)
Yes. So is yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre. Nothing is without limits, and with out limits we are nothing.
>So is yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre.
A course of action so blatantly legal that a Supreme Court Justice used it as an example for what is clearly allowed, dislikeable though it may be.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_t...
Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns
#128Besides the obvious concerns about tracking/spying, TikTok has great potential as a propaganda tool to gain subtle influence over America's youth. For example, its algorithm could be tweaked to elevate content that is favourable to the Chinese Communist Party.
I mean yes, that's a scary made-up scenario. I'd be in favor of banning the app if that made-up scenario ever becomes a non-made-up scenario.
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This is absurd, frankly. "The US government collects taxes on US citizens, why not let China collect taxes on US citizens? Its the same." "The US government throws US citizens in jail, why not let Chine throw US citizens in jail? Its the same." Yeah, it would be great if the Federal government turned down their surveillance. That doesn't make it okay for China to run psy-ops against us.
I see a lot of US psyops and I'm an American. That is even more disturbing IMO. I'd expect it from a foreign nation but not my own country. Also, why can't we just make education about foreign influence part of our curriculum and national discussion. Why do we have to ban things like speech to protect people? That is borderline just becoming China-like in itself.
Critical thinking would be a good start... but TikTok also targets a very young and immature audience that is already protected from many other things by rules.