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Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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post #270

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I didn't want to engage someone apparently so angry in that direction, but since you took time to respond kindly and share you experience, I will add my comment too. The centering of autism as being something happening to "the parents" and framing autistic children (or adults, for that matter) as being unable to form human connections or acquiring basic skills is something a large part of autistic people are pushing…

I am skeptical that all of those people on Twitter are actually autistic and not just self-diagnosed. Despite having a clinical definition and a defined diagnostic process, autism has become sort of an identity that people celebrate and use in a casual, colloquial way. People have told me that I could have been diagnosed as autistic because of how I act as an adult, but I didn't have developmental delays. I had a pre…

As a self-diagnosed autistic (dodged a diagnosis as a kid, in hindsight quite good seeing how france in the 80ies had some pretty rough approaches to it) that came to that conclusion at age 40, believing for most of my adulthood I wasn't because "look how many friends I have", the reason people seem to "celebrate" it is that it finally gives context to a lifelong suffering and feeling of alienation.

It's not like it will make your life any easier, since accommodations are scarce to come by, an official diagnosis can come with significant discrimination, and if you made it this far, it doesn't feel like a great way to spend your resources. It however allows me to not only realize that my experiences are shared, but to finally be able to learn strategies and find therapists that are helpful, vs actually aggravating the situation (say, framing you as argumentative and arrogant or schizoid or whatever, when what is going is mostly a communication mismatch).

However, my nephew got diagnosed and it allowed him to find a school that accomodates his cognitive style. He's gone from puking every day and turning into a shell of himself to being back to the bright and happy kid that he is. While in some ways I'm sad I didn't have that opportunity, it makes me so happy to see that the field has made progress exactly by widening its diagnostic net.

Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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post #295

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Using inappropriately technical jargon (especially “dopamine”) is one of my pet peeves (which I just get more of the older I get). Why, say, describe fond feelings or affection as “oxytocin”? Do you know anything about this neurotransmitter? Or are you just using it as a fancy synonym for love and affection? Is the vernacular English language—but I guess pop-neurotransmitters are vernacular now—too impoverished to ta…

> Every little mind-wandering and slip-up becomes the fault of the fetish that is “the ego”. Ironically, you’ve here used “fetish” in a way that the article explicitly admonishes, opting instead for the vernacular definition. And I think that’s okay! Language is about communication, if when you say fetish I know what you mean, and when other people say dopamine I know what they mean, who cares what the diction police…

Not really. First of all, see my edit, which was there many hours before your reply: This is a side-topic about laypeople misappropriating technical terms, while the submission is about professional (social) psychologists. I am not a psychologist, did not attempt to discuss psychology, hence this attempted gotcha is invalid.

Second of all, my attempt (butchered or not) at using this word has no relation to the field of psychology at all since it is inspired by Marx’s use, who probably got it from Hegel (predates professional psychology, does it not?). The vernacular meaning (apparently, according to MW) means to be very fond of something. But what I mean in this context has got nothing to do with being in love with some inanimate object (in a non-sexual way); it means to use some object (although in this case an abstract one) as something to fixate on in lieu of appreciating and understanding wholly non-tangible things that may only be fully understood as relations. In this case, instead of trying to comprehend the mind as more of a web of associations, of cause and effect, you/they invent the fetish of the very animated “ego” which is trying to sabotage your every effort to achieve mindfulness, perform better in your corporate job, or what have you.

Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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post #275

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Is it fair to think that "burned out" isn't always coming from an employer-employee power imbalance? Startup types or small business owners burn out. Benign employers can have employees who burn themselves out. As a freelancer, I'm quite responsible for my work habits and workload; I sometimes burn out, but I'd never think of it as having been exploited.

No that's true, burnout has many causes, but I suppose that I'm thinking about it at a systems/societal level. The current era is much more difficult to survive in than when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s. Because wealth inequality (high housing/healthcare/education costs, low wages) has come to dominate our lives. We're working twice as many hours for half as much buying power. We may not see it as much with ou…

I've travelled a lot in the US and many parts feel like a developing country. The tent cities and begging and vehicle-dwelling and so on appear worse each time I go over. But people either don't vote or vote against their own interests. Maybe one risk of framing things as a societal issue mean that people are less likely to take individual action in voting or changing jobs (if possible)? Voter apathy in the US is quite remarkable, given the constant media furore.

I'm in small business so I'm offering no comment on larger companies, but often here, I think an employee paid $x is expected to produce $3x as an old rule of thumb to cover overheads, taxes, etc. And I have sympathy for the brutal world of small business ownership: if an employee detests that $15/hr, go freelance at $40/hr and wear the downsides that come with it. Almost every business owner has taken a risk at some point to work unpaid or underpaid while getting off the ground, has covered wages during slow periods, etc. It's not always glamorous. An idea I find intriguing is in government or enterprise providing small businesses with as much boilerplate/scaffolding as possible to minimise the impact of wage theft or rostering struggles or anything else in that painful interface between the employer and employee. Without it, an employee is at the mercy of the foibles of the smalltime employer.

Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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post #291

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Do you recognize that there is a distinction between enforcement, and being told "using this particular form of speech is harmful to certain people - if you continue choosing to use it, you are choosing to present yourself as someone who values your own speech over someone else's comfort, and will be judged accordingly"? If so, then we're in broad agreement (though we may disagree about where the line between social…

I was with you earlier in the thread when you wrote "effective way to improve clarity and to identify unexamined (and perhaps unfounded) assumptions". With you on that because that is ultimately a selfish motivation - one wants one's ideas to be understood, one wants to influence, one wants to be correct ("check assumptions"). But this: > using this particular form of speech is harmful to certain people ... are a few…

> To put a fine point on it, equating "discomfort" and "harm" is flawed.

That's fair! Negative impacts certainly exist on a continuum! I felt like "harm" was a reasonable synonym for "negatively impact", but you're right that it carries a stronger connotation than "mildly inconvenience"; and it also has a more direct connotation than "perpetuate negative stereotypes in listeners" (using homophobic slurs has negative impact _even if no homosexual people are around to hear them_, because it emboldens homophobes and normalizes homophobia)

So let me loosen my original statement to "using this particular form of speech will negatively impact (whether directly or indirectly) certain people, ...etc.". And please do notice that I didn't describe the outcome as "then you are a bad person"! It's reasonable and justifiable to pick a point on that spectrum and say "you know what - negative impacts that are weaker than this just really don't matter to me. There's a certain level of tip-toeing around that just isn't worth it for the miniscule risk". Hell, I do it too. There's a tiny chance that my use of "hell" as a casual interjection might offend a religious reader - but in my determination, that offence is less important to me than that particular form of speech. There are probably a ton of other words or phrases I use for which I've made a similar (conscious or unconscious) determination.

My point is - speech has an impact. Indeed, if it didn't, it would be pointless. The point of speech is to communicate. Communication distributes ideas, concepts, thoughts from one brain to others. Those ideas will not just be the ones that are directly communicated in the speech, but also "meta-ideas" communicated by the form of speech. Meta-communication, more often than not, is about the speaker rather than just the content. If I hear someone teaching a complicated topic, I will assume (rightly or wrongly!) something about their level of intelligence and knowledge. If I hear someone speaking clearly and convincingly, I will assume that they've taken the time to prepare and research - and vice versa. If I hear someone using an obscure word, I'll assume they have an interest in vocabulary (and/or are involved in the field in which that term is common). If I hear someone using a well-known slur, I'll assume that they have made the deliberate choice to do so in the knowledge that it _is_ a slur. It's a form of social signalling.

So, y'know - if you believe that forms of speech that do cause "discomfort" are acceptable, and ones that cause "harm" are not (based on your own determination of the likelihood of those impacts, hopefully informed by the people who are actually impacted), _that's justifiable_. I'm not saying that words should be banned. I'm asking for a recognition that the use of a word - _any_ word - is a signal; that some signals are more distinct than others; and that that signal will be interpreted by listeners as reflecting something about the speaker's value system. That's not policing - it's a recognition of personal choice.

Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you recognize that there is a distinction between enforcement, and being told "using this particular form of speech is harmful to certain people - if you continue choosing to use it, you are choosing to present yourself as someone who values your own speech over someone else's comfort, and will be judged accordingly"? If so, then we're in broad agreement (though we may disagree about where the line between social…

What you just wrote caused me a lot of discomfort and yet you chose to write it. Because in order to think and discuss we need to risk causing discomfort to other people. I don't know what to tell you if that's not obvious to you.

It's entirely obvious to me! As I wrote at greater length here[0] - I am not advocating for banning words! I am asking for a recognition that certain forms of speech have certain impacts on the listener, and that by using them you are signalling yourself as "someone who has made the choice that that form of speech is more important than the possible impact". I'm not saying "never take that risk", I'm saying "recognize that it exists, and factor it into your choice of speech". If using a particular slur is super-important to you, go ahead and use it! But don't pretend that people are unreasonable for then thinking of you as "someone who is comfortable using slurs" - because, by definition, that is what you have shown yourself to be. And those judgements lie on a continuum - and each person will be comfortable with existing at different points on that continuum. _This is not policing or enforcement_ - it's just how social signalling works. You choose how you want to be perceived.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33648904

Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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post #291

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Do you recognize that there is a distinction between enforcement, and being told "using this particular form of speech is harmful to certain people - if you continue choosing to use it, you are choosing to present yourself as someone who values your own speech over someone else's comfort, and will be judged accordingly"? If so, then we're in broad agreement (though we may disagree about where the line between social…

All the "speech is harmful" is exactly the thought policing we are talking about: when you hear something that you don't like you candecide to ignore it instead of trying to make everyone in the world stop thinking "bad thoughts". It's your job having the emotional maturity to not screech at any percieved misgiving not mine to not think or say things that may or may not be hurtful.

To restate my point - I'm not advocating for banning speech. I'm _certainly_ not advocating for banning the discussion of sensitive topics. I'm asking people to recognize that, by using certain forms of speech _that they have been asked not to use_, they are presenting themselves as someone to whom speaking in that particular way is more important than the feelings of the people who they're speaking to or about.

You, clearly, are signalling yourself as one of those people. And that's your right! That was your choice to make.

But maybe stop and think about why you think it's so important to you to tell people to shut up about something that bothers them, and if you want to be seen as someone who's deliberately and wilfully causing harm when there exist other ways to phrase the same concept.

Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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Leaders obviously aren’t required to personally do the things they ask you to do. An army where the general dies in battle isn’t a good army.

I extremely disagree. Leaders that don't lead by example aren't real leaders, but demagouges and deceivers. To become a general, you must first be a soldier.

That's not how generals work, they go to officer school, don't they?

Actually I don't think "virtue signalling" implies "doesn't do it themselves". Vegans who go around telling everyone they're vegan generally don't secretly eat meat.

Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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> only in English > The standard medical terminology in other languages is "subjective symptoms" and "objective symptoms". Brazilian here. We use the term sinais e sintomas , meaning signs and symptoms. Doctors learn these signs in medical semiology classes and through practice in hospitals.

I believe that these special meanings for "signs" and "symptoms", which deviate from their prior meanings in the English language, must have been used for the first time in some influential medical handbook from some important US Medical School, like the Harvard Medical School. Then they must have spread in USA, and then in some other countries, like Brazil and Norway, which have been mentioned here. At least France…

Hurray for the obsyms and subsyms then.

In truth, "language change" (which is in fact language corruption) if often a necessary evil when a mass of "lazy and stupid" people desperately tries to learn something. The net outcome of all that is good, or has been so far.

But it's a different pair of shoes when supposed experts decide to change dictionary definitions on the fly, and in such a confusing manner. They should have known better.

Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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What do others here think about casual use of the word "crazy" in a work setting. For instance, "that's a crazy idea" or "they're crazy to think ...."

i've seen "a crazy idea" replaced by "a wild idea" and i think it's elegant

In all seriousness, it makes me stop and think what would the hunter-gatherers say.

Re: Psychological and psychiatric terms to avoid

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post #304

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As (43) states, introversion is on a scale (a matter of degree) rather than a type (i.e. not like char vs. float). That it is persistent in a probabilistic sense is well established.

Well established by who? A persistent is always claimed but my experience is very much to the contrary, both personal and observed in others.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-rea...

...and my experience as a varyingly persistent introvert :-)

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