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Elon musk is 50 and filthy rich. No matter how hard he gets burned by twitter, he will not be learning.

> Elon musk is 50 Damn, same age as Eminem

(Catchy music starts playing)

Look, if you had one shot or one opportunity

To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment

Would you capture it, or just let it slip? Yo

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#582

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Aside: there is no "technically resigned" here, if they're referring to Musk's loyalty-pledge deadline. Those employees have been terminated -- and are entitled to unemployment and wrongful termination protections.

I wonder if this legally really is the case. Twitter seems to have asked "Do you still want to work here", giving an option to affirm. They didn't say "you have to go", they said "you may go if you do not like the new direction of the company, please tell us which one it is". I'd be rather careful with that, and not just proclaim these people were terminated. I see a rather good chance court could rule very different…

Saying "we are materially changing the terms of your employment, you can accept them or quit" is constructive discharge.

Besides, unemployment is one thing that is usually very liberally decided in the employee's favor, given that you are effectively paying for it.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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post #496

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> I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's been more than twenty years since the dot-com bust and people still think that just because a company is on a website that makes it a tech company. Sure, Twitter's product is twitter.com the website, but most criticism of it and ideas for improvement don't revolve around the engineering aspects of keeping a website running: t…

By that definition no tech company is a tech company. People search things on google because they want to find information , not because of the algorithms that bring that information. People use stable diffusion because they want to create images , whatever the cool ai technology behind it.

I would argue that when the primary products of a company are technologies, they are tech companies. That would include TSMC, AMD, AWS and much of Microsoft.

If your products are just BUILT using technology, well then you may consider yourself in another business. Whether that is a clothing, cars, pharmaceutical, weaponry or social media platforms (sorted by increasing potential for harm ;)

Still, even if you're in the last category, it may be fair to consider it "tech" if the main challenges/differentiating factors in creating the product is scienc/engineering/technological rather than for instance design, marketing or organizational efficiency.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

> Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's a lose-lose situation; I don't think Twitter's problems would be solved by engineering harder; and you will spend 80 hrs/wk where you can end up fired because people aren't as deterministic as cars. It's a comp…

>It's a completely bewildering move; I'm not sure what Elon was thinking when he even decided to buy Twitter.

The entire and obvious and openly stated point of Musk buying Twitter was to reinstate Trump, and re-inflict his regular unhinged sociopathic tweets and lies and misinformation and calls to violence and bullying and hate speech and racism upon everyone in the world again, just when we were all getting used to enjoying not hearing from him every single fucking day and the middle of the night.

There's no other rational explanation, and although that obvious explanation may sound completely irrational, so is Musk, and it is still the real reason, and the inextricable consequence, just as predicted by Occam's Razor, and foretold by Musk's own words.

There's nothing bewildering about it at all, so stop acting so surprised, and pretending he changed his mind after what he said so emphatically and unambiguously.

It's not like it's a secret, or contested. He openly announced it. When people show you who they are and what they'll do, believe them.

https://www.voanews.com/a/elon-musk-says-he-d-reinstate-trum...

>Elon Musk Says He'd Reinstate Trump's Twitter Account

>"I do think that it was not correct to ban Donald Trump," Musk said. "I think that was a mistake because it alienated a large part of the country and did not ultimately result in Donald Trump not having a voice."

>Musk added that Trump's ban was "morally wrong and flat-out stupid."

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/28/twitter-d...

>Twitter braces for Donald Trump’s return as Elon Musk takes over platform

>Hate speech and misinformation experts are bracing for the return of Donald Trump to the platform, as Elon Musk completes his acquisition of Twitter.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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And he has a history of being a chronic liar. He has no STEM degree at all! https://twitter.com/kyliebytes/status/1593391167718113280

I have no degree at all and my job is pretty advanced research and implementation of ultra low-latency software execution stack in a major market maker. What's your point?

Did you lie about not having a degree when you were applying for jobs?

The implication is that EM did.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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This is why I have been saying even if you don't log off from twitter completely at least do houseclean your old tweets with tweetdelete.net (or something IDK). I do not trust Elon to use my posting history responsibly, period.

But you do trust them to delete the data you gave them when you ask nicely?

At the moment, that request might still be handled by a microservice written by the old staff that does the right thing. If that microservice is still up.

The future is much more uncertain.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#587

I would obviously not want to work in such an environment, but. Given that he fired so many people, yet the site is working unchanged and works exactly the same as before, maybe he’s not that crazy? I can log in to the website and see no difference; nothing is obviously broken. Maybe he’s right and most people were doing nothing? I don’t know.

the irony is the firings pulling eyeballs and interactions to Twitter, which increases load, which nobody works to handle anymore

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#588
Worry not as the Optimus production will start by the end of this year and the robots can keep Twitter up at least 10 times better than human employees! It’d be financially insane to employ anything other than an Optimus robot!

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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> I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's been more than twenty years since the dot-com bust and people still think that just because a company is on a website that makes it a tech company. Sure, Twitter's product is twitter.com the website, but most criticism of it and ideas for improvement don't revolve around the engineering aspects of keeping a website running: t…

> Thinking that by having engineers go "hardcore" you're automatically going to have a better product is like if a pizza delivery company decided to invest in better cars because people criticized their pizzas. Bingo. Hard-core engineering has been the lynchpin of Tesla and SpaceX's success -- they literally won via designing and manufacturing superior physical things. It makes sense that EM would blunder by attempti…

>It makes sense that EM would blunder by attempting to reproduce that type of success at Twitter. And it will be a blunder, unless...

But he actually did change the narrative today. Yesterday, he had to make Twitter better.

Now, if Twitter doesn't crash and the World Cup goes by without a hitch, it's going to be the biggest win ever for him, is it not?

EDIT: fixed tone.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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post #402

A couple weeks ago 50% were laid off and nothing happened. Now I read on Twitter that Twitter died and it's at a record high DAU. Make it make sense! It may be bumpy in the short term, but then all of the supremely confident naysayers are going to look ridiculous and spiteful if it turns out that Twitter can operate with 80-90% fewer employees.

I can pretty easily keep a mysql instance running. I cannot easily do that while adding features to it. Scale that up a lot and you can see how Twitter can keep running with much less people while not delivering anything.

The fact that a site that big hasn't broken yet shows how good they actually were and in the end he did fire good engineers while not even tackling Twitter main problems which none were technical. Bots are still rampant, moderation is gone, monetization is non existant and advertisers were scared away.

Unless things change what you're seeing is not a success, it's a zombie.

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