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Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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TimTheTinker wrote: post #506
andyjda wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's been more than twenty years since the dot-com bust and people still think that just because a company is on a website that makes it a tech company. Sure, Twitter's product is twitter.com the website, but most criticism of it and ideas for improvement don't revolve around the engineering aspects of keeping a website running: t…

> Thinking that by having engineers go "hardcore" you're automatically going to have a better product is like if a pizza delivery company decided to invest in better cars because people criticized their pizzas. Bingo. Hard-core engineering has been the lynchpin of Tesla and SpaceX's success -- they literally won via designing and manufacturing superior physical things. It makes sense that EM would blunder by attempti…

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Post by guelo »

MBCook wrote: post #101
lost_tourist wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope it implodes. He has been so childish throughout, he deserves to lose the 44 billion. Sucks that thousands of people are out of work, but maybe this is better for them than a slow painful death of a once okayish company.

What about all the poor people on visas who are now desperately looking for jobs to avoid having themselves and their families deported?

Those are not poor people.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by perlgeek »

rndgermandude wrote: post #332
apawloski wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside: there is no "technically resigned" here, if they're referring to Musk's loyalty-pledge deadline. Those employees have been terminated -- and are entitled to unemployment and wrongful termination protections.

I wonder if this legally really is the case. Twitter seems to have asked "Do you still want to work here", giving an option to affirm. They didn't say "you have to go", they said "you may go if you do not like the new direction of the company, please tell us which one it is". I'd be rather careful with that, and not just proclaim these people were terminated. I see a rather good chance court could rule very different…

Employment is managed by a contract.

Likely that contract doesn't have a clause that states it only remains valid if the employee clicks on "yes" in death march emails.

So, the contract remains valid until either the employee quits or the employer terminates. Not reacting to an email is not quitting.

I'm pretty sure that legally, the employees that received that email and didn't click/answer are still considered employees. They are only terminated once they received their actual termination papers, not an "if / then" email.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by bin_bash »

r721 wrote: post #157

>Hundreds upon hundreds of Twitter employees have technically resigned but still have access to Twitter’s internal systems, with some speculating it is because the employees tasked with managing that access also resigned. https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1593431420587761664

Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by vkou »

Aaron2222 wrote: post #509
hintymad wrote: post #175

The management is worried about internal sabotage? My Twitter friends said Twitter has been having large exodus. CSL(core systems lib?) team, blobstore team, graph platform team, and revenue forecasting team seemed have all quit. I'm not sure how robust and autonomous Twitter's infra is. Hopefully Twitter will continue to function.

It definitely feels like internal sabotage at the moment...

By whom, Musk?

Because while particular actions he's taken in the past few weeks may be justifiable in certain contexts, all of them taken together can only be interpreted as an attempt to set 44 billion dollars on fire.

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Post by nazka »

pschuegr wrote: post #25

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

And then you look at how Zuckerberg is handling his lay off by being so humanly well with all the packages, bonuses, process and the support teams even more for a massive lay off and how all this is going to cost that you wonder if we really knew who they really are.

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Post by convery »

outlawBand wrote: post #262

So...Elon bought twitter to tank it just to stop that kid from tweeting every time he flew in his private jet?

He announced that he will not take any action against that account as it's free speech. So need to find a new "gotcha" / narrative / joke.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by BerislavLopac »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #506
andyjda wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's been more than twenty years since the dot-com bust and people still think that just because a company is on a website that makes it a tech company. Sure, Twitter's product is twitter.com the website, but most criticism of it and ideas for improvement don't revolve around the engineering aspects of keeping a website running: t…

> Thinking that by having engineers go "hardcore" you're automatically going to have a better product is like if a pizza delivery company decided to invest in better cars because people criticized their pizzas. Bingo. Hard-core engineering has been the lynchpin of Tesla and SpaceX's success -- they literally won via designing and manufacturing superior physical things. It makes sense that EM would blunder by attempti…

I can't speak about SpaceX, but there is really nothing superior about Tesla's engineering.

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Post by shp0ngle »

I would obviously not want to work in such an environment, but. Given that he fired so many people, yet the site is working unchanged and works exactly the same as before, maybe he’s not that crazy?

I can log in to the website and see no difference; nothing is obviously broken. Maybe he’s right and most people were doing nothing? I don’t know.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by convery »

nso95 wrote: post #426
memish wrote: post #402

A couple weeks ago 50% were laid off and nothing happened. Now I read on Twitter that Twitter died and it's at a record high DAU. Make it make sense! It may be bumpy in the short term, but then all of the supremely confident naysayers are going to look ridiculous and spiteful if it turns out that Twitter can operate with 80-90% fewer employees.

Ok but what if they can't

Then the company can hire more engineers? Even if devs in SF virtue-signal on Twitter about how they'd never work under Musk, a competitive paycheck attracts outsiders.
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