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How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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2.3% requiring medical attention is surprisingly high. This seems orders of magnitude higher than classic psychedelics. It is likely this is greater than simply combining DMT and an MAOI.

MAOI's on their own can be dangerous depending on your diet -- I wouldn't be surprised by a 2.3% number representing people who consumed a lot of tyramine beforehand, despite the fact that you are supposed to fast.

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I find it sad that this post was flagged. If it is not found interesting by the community no one would upvote it and it would just fade away. Flagging posts like this one makes hacker news far less interesting.

It wasn't flagged. What made you think it was?

Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Is it similar to "shrooms"?

I was considered traveling from San Francisco to Oregon or Colorado (?) where I think psychedelic mushrooms were legalized and you don't need to "know people" to get them.

I've wanted to try psychedelics for a while, I haven't done them before. Unless Salvia counts.

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Bad trips are a real risk with all psychedelics. I don't like the attitude in psychedelic communities that there's "no such thing as a bad trip, only a challenging one". I had a couple bad trips. It felt like living in hell for a literal eternity. It's almost impossible to describe the agony that the human mind is capable of experiencing. It's absurd how much suffering the human mind can experience. The main message…

I took mushrooms three years ago and immediately gained a pervasive baseline anxiety in my life. Haven't been able to shake it since. Wouldn't recommend if you have any issues with anxiety in your life beforehand.

I developed an anxiety condition from extensive periods of deep meditation. In my viewpoint it had been there all along and I had mostly just covered it up with other emotions - but the meditation amplified things a lot, I went through a crisis lasting months about a decade ago. I still get anxiety attacks sometimes and had never had them before. I don’t know if your trip caused something new or just uncovered something that was already there, I think either are possible.

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What disease is ayahuasca fighting off? And specifically what is the the clinical benefit of the vomit stage?

By that token, what specifically is the clinical benefit to the vomit stage of chemo? The argument is that the vomiting is a necessary step of this powerful medicine, and that the medicine is curing mental disease. I'm not defending ayahuasca, I actually do think it's a sketchy corner of the psychedelic world to be trodden on very carefully, if at all. Just trying to supply the perspective.

There's no benefit to puking you guts, it's a side effect. Chemo is basically poison.

Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

#46

Is it similar to "shrooms"? I was considered traveling from San Francisco to Oregon or Colorado (?) where I think psychedelic mushrooms were legalized and you don't need to "know people" to get them. I've wanted to try psychedelics for a while, I haven't done them before. Unless Salvia counts.

Just buy spores, they are legal.

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post #40

Bad trips are a real risk with all psychedelics. I don't like the attitude in psychedelic communities that there's "no such thing as a bad trip, only a challenging one". I had a couple bad trips. It felt like living in hell for a literal eternity. It's almost impossible to describe the agony that the human mind is capable of experiencing. It's absurd how much suffering the human mind can experience. The main message…

Could you elaborate on what exactly you experienced (and your takeaways) from your bad trip? Do you feel like set and setting or your previous mental state going into the trip caused the bad trip?

> Could you elaborate on what exactly you experienced (and your takeaways) from your bad trip?

I experienced the worst pain I could ever imagine, felt my consciousness stretched to fill the infinity of space, and was then convinced this was my eternal state, with no possibility of escape.

> Do you feel like set and setting or your previous mental state going into the trip caused the bad trip?

It did. Set and setting is important. But it's almost impossible to get the ideal set and setting that precludes any possibility of a bad trip. Especially because psychedelics often appeal to those already suffering. It's the catch 22 of people suffering being told that psychedelics might help them. But how do you gain an ideal set and setting to take psychedelics until you gain the internal peace you want so badly that led you to psychedelics in the first place?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took mushrooms three years ago and immediately gained a pervasive baseline anxiety in my life. Haven't been able to shake it since. Wouldn't recommend if you have any issues with anxiety in your life beforehand.

I developed an anxiety condition from extensive periods of deep meditation. In my viewpoint it had been there all along and I had mostly just covered it up with other emotions - but the meditation amplified things a lot , I went through a crisis lasting months about a decade ago. I still get anxiety attacks sometimes and had never had them before. I don’t know if your trip caused something new or just uncovered somet…

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Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Bad trips are a real risk with all psychedelics. I don't like the attitude in psychedelic communities that there's "no such thing as a bad trip, only a challenging one". I had a couple bad trips. It felt like living in hell for a literal eternity. It's almost impossible to describe the agony that the human mind is capable of experiencing. It's absurd how much suffering the human mind can experience. The main message…

Thanks for sharing this. I agree the risk is just shrugged off by experienced users.

If you're reading this and thinking about it - don't do it if you're uneasy in any way. I've had awesome experiences taking boatloads of shrooms but it was only after I figured out settings I knew were 100% safe (caretaker, extensive prep beforehand reading online and had friends who had done it that talked me through details).

I believe these drugs will save us all someday but we can't just shove everyone into the pool hoping they figure out how to swim.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took mushrooms three years ago and immediately gained a pervasive baseline anxiety in my life. Haven't been able to shake it since. Wouldn't recommend if you have any issues with anxiety in your life beforehand.

I developed an anxiety condition from extensive periods of deep meditation. In my viewpoint it had been there all along and I had mostly just covered it up with other emotions - but the meditation amplified things a lot , I went through a crisis lasting months about a decade ago. I still get anxiety attacks sometimes and had never had them before. I don’t know if your trip caused something new or just uncovered somet…

I feel similarly to meditation as I do to psychedelics. I think it has more risks than people want to admit.

Have you looked into Internal Family Systems? Your experience seems to match pretty closely to the idea of protectors and exiles in IFS. I think meditation sometimes bypasses protectors, which can result in extreme pain.

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