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Post by saghm »

kibwen wrote: post #247
r721 wrote: post #157

>Hundreds upon hundreds of Twitter employees have technically resigned but still have access to Twitter’s internal systems, with some speculating it is because the employees tasked with managing that access also resigned. https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1593431420587761664

Same energy as the following article on the Twitter layoffs: "Twitter hasn’t responded to requests for comment, likely because its communications staff has been included in the layoffs." https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/04/twitter-faces-a-class-acti...

At this point it just seems like a matter of time before Musk and/or his fan club start trying to change the narrative to him purposely running the company to the ground, and the fact that he wasted billions of dollars doing it somehow is noble.

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Post by MivLives »

shagie wrote: post #86
pschuegr wrote: post #25

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

> Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. This is a death march - no question about it. The book by Edward Yourdon should be required reading for any who are still at Twitter. One of the things that is in the book had in it that I recall was a four quadrant grid of 'morale' and 'likelihood of success'(?). There are indeed high morale high ch…

I googled the name of this book and for me your post on Reddit about it four years ago (I assume it's you due to the similar username). Guess it hasn't gotten anymore out of date. I'll have to look into a getting a copy.

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Post by NineStarPoint »

oska wrote: post #139
pschuegr wrote: post #25

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

> somebody who takes over the company and accrues so much social debt so quickly What is 'social debt' and how is it (objectively) measured?

We certainly don’t know enough about psychology to objectively measure much of anything. But I suppose a massive portion of your workforce deciding to take severance instead of working for you any longer is one of the most concrete examples of high social debt coming and biting you in the ass I’ve ever heard of.

And in general that’s the idea of social debt. That every time you ask someone to change their responsibilities, or do something against company culture, or do something against their morals, or work longer hours for no extra pay, etc: you accrue negativity in their mind associated with you. Do that enough without there being positive things to “pay off” the debt and they’ll be less motivated to work for you, quit entirely, or even sabotage you.

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Post by BWStearns »

dilyevsky wrote: post #196
fotta wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The TLS cert expires on December 12.

There is absolutely no way in hell those aren’t autorenewed. I think the answer is “quite a long time” actually. Eventually disk/machine rot in DCs will take over but it can take many months or more

Commenting to save this for Dec 13th!

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Post by rjh29 »

lumenwrites wrote: post #296
7e wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

Doesn't it get exhausting to jump through so many mental hoops to minimize someone's accomplishments? I don't understand what people get out of this, is it really that painful to admit that some guy has done some pretty cool things with his life? All the effort it takes to research all the negative things about someone could've been spent doing something productive. Being willing to admit that someone did something a…

It is the opposite. It is exhausting to hold a nuanced, balanced view of things. It is much easier to think "I don't like this person, therefore everything about this person is bad". The brain does it for you.

I agree btw, I have watched people go from worshipping Elon to suddenly deciding he's a fraud and a talentless hack and every one of his accomplishments were some kind of fluke. It's so strange.

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Post by bergenty »

7e wrote: post #228
areoform wrote: post #173

I am chalking this up to Russia syndrome. Personality types driven to do great things aren't easily satisfied. Most are perpetually dissatisfied & they need to raise the stakes. They win the war of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th coalitions. For the first time, they find that things are going fine. All they have to do is nothing. Pull back and consolidate. Maybe refine some things, tinker a bit. But it's not enough. It wi…

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

Neuralink hasn’t failed. FSD is pretty solid outside of major cities and it keeps improving. Honestly it will probably get there in less than 5 years.

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Post by nomel »

kcb wrote: post #212
memish wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

George Hotz is interviewing there tomorrow. https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159339146698169139... For a certain kind of engineer, this version of Twitter is far more attractive than the previous one.

Why? What complex technical problem is there to solve at twitter at this point?

A scaled up Birdwatch [1], or some other system, with the ability to find truths, could be incredible. Trust in media is, rightfully, near all time lows [2].

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33474196

2. https://news.gallup.com/poll/403166/americans-trust-media-re...

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Post by mikewarot »

Given the mountain of technical debt under the previous administration's focus on growth over everything else, as detailed by Mudge, I don't know how the wheels hadn't already fallen off the system.

I fail to see how a networked system with nobody left tending it is going to last.

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Post by user_named »

jasmer wrote: post #275
7e wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

It takes talent to fail in many of those ways, notably, it's mostly papered over by the success of Tesla and Space X, which will probably be just fine on thew whole. His antics were 'sufferable' in the context of Tesla/Space X, but for a variety of reasons, not at all with Twitter whereupon he's essentially going to be perceived a toxic entity - rightly or wrongly. He needs to find an excuse to get out of there, find…

Some people suggested selling to Automattic like Tumblr did and with an implied price of 1M.

I don't think Matt would be a bad choice for a ceo.

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Post by notatoad »

7e wrote: post #228
areoform wrote: post #173

I am chalking this up to Russia syndrome. Personality types driven to do great things aren't easily satisfied. Most are perpetually dissatisfied & they need to raise the stakes. They win the war of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th coalitions. For the first time, they find that things are going fine. All they have to do is nothing. Pull back and consolidate. Maybe refine some things, tinker a bit. But it's not enough. It wi…

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

The Boring Company didn't fail. The boring company was a scam to delay and distract the california high-speed rail project. and it continues to delay and distract other public transit projects around the country to this day. it's been a resounding success.

https://jalopnik.com/did-musk-propose-hyperloop-to-stop-cali...

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