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Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by threeseed »

slg wrote: post #50
davidw wrote: post #14

@dang - maybe let one twitter story through to the home page?

It is a little strange that I have seen almost no Twitter stories on the front page in the last week. Has dang or anyone talked about why that might be? Is it getting caught in the flamewar algorithm? Are they treating this as one big story so any individual article gets removed as a repost?

Paul Graham and some of the YC partners have been surprisingly defensive of Musk's actions.

It's been massively disappointing to watch since Musk's behaviour has been abhorrent and has resulted in a lot of unnecessary hurt and despair for innocent employees. The same employees who may end up running future startups.

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Post by sbuttgereit »

imron wrote: post #106
slg wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a little strange that I have seen almost no Twitter stories on the front page in the last week. Has dang or anyone talked about why that might be? Is it getting caught in the flamewar algorithm? Are they treating this as one big story so any individual article gets removed as a repost?

> Has dang or anyone talked about why that might be? I’ve personally been visiting new and flagging all Twitter/mastodon posts I see (i started doing this after getting sick of all the Twitter/mastodon posts hitting the front page). I don’t want the front page to be all Twitter all the time, and most of the posts boil down to speculation and gossip and the ones that don’t, usually don’t offer anything meaningfully ne…

I'm with you. I've seen some fairly low quality discussions on HN, many of which fixate on Musk. The Twitter situation is magnifying it to stupefying dimensions.

Are the goings on at Twitter relevant to "the industry"? Sure. But, the inability to have serious discussion about it speaks poorly of the those that populate that industry.

Somewhere between the 10,000th iteration of "see how billionaires are evil?", "see how Musk is a genius?", "see how Musk behaves badly?", and "Look at what's Musk accomplished?" nothing new is said. Anything novel or serious that does manage to pop-up gets drowned out in the sea of noise.

I join you in downvoting all of these. There are good discussions on HN, but these discussions are them.

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Post by havblue »

It seems like he's taking a "burning your ships" approach. So maybe the company can run with a far smaller but more desperate team. What I'm not sure about is how people will get to like social media again. Will it really be a larger company that innovates in this space, rather than a startup that will turn Twitter into the next myspace.

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Post by nemo44x »

mikeyouse wrote: post #177
dusing wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is pushing the limits (and maybe finding them) of how quickly you can correct head count in a larger company. We won’t know if his actual vision for the product is bad until he gets done with this transitional period and can start releasing updates. Basically I’d argue not much happened yet but HR meetings.

How are they going to release updates when they just nuked the entire design and engineering staff?

What has that website updated in like 12 years? Nearly nothing.

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Post by mjmsmith »

olalonde wrote: post #219
wnevets wrote: post #88

Are people who still want to argue that Elon isn't destroying Twitter?

I just think he is trying to get rid of employees with low morale or those that don't want him as a boss. Twitter will be fine and there's a good chance it will do better under Elon's management.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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Post by throwaway82388 »

kcplate wrote: post #197
pschuegr wrote: post #25

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

There is just so much irony all over this, at every level and every side. It’s hilarious. Musk wanted to buy it, then tried to back away. The board tried to prevent the sale, then sued to make it happen. Employees loathed the idea of Musk being their boss, but also wanted his cash for their stock. And as much good a pubic soapbox platform could have been for society, destroying the company seems to me to be the only…

It’s an unpopular opinion but I find it all funny too, for the reasons you described. The degree to which people are experiencing self-righteous outrage over twitter is in direct proportion to how histrionic and annoying their personas are. Twitter may have had some fine contributors, but I think it was a net negative on culture, and encouraged shallow thinking and moral grandstanding.

And there’s an upside. If the people threatening to leave actually do, it will likely make the platform better.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by threeseed »

MBCook wrote: post #94
techolic wrote: post #84

The next outage will have a good likelihood of being the last outage.

Yeah. Multiple entire teams that run critical systems have reportedly left. It’s over. Dead site running. Such a horrible loss. Glad the stockholders are happy. This was clearly better than the lawsuit. /s

No excuses. No redirecting blame. This is 100% on Musk.

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Post by gonzo41 »

zarzavat wrote: post #277
7e wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

That may be true. But the guy also landed rockets from orbit (on ships!). And then flew them again. The implications of having easy access to space to our civilization really cannot be overstated. SpaceX is the real deal, and will probably be worth more than Tesla eventually. Musk clearly isn’t successful in everything he does, but he’s not a failure either.

Just like Jobs built the iphone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew6fv9UUlQ8

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Post by stubybubs »

CPLX wrote: post #123
andrewinardeer wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jack Welch at General Electric. Granted it wasn't a tech company though.

He took one of the most valuable and enduring companies in American history and destroyed it completely. It no longer exists.

Yes, but he did it slowly, and at great profit to himself. Totally different than Musk!
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