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How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Post by headsoup »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #9
bobsmooth wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, alcohol is literally poison and the state of being intoxicated is the desirable effect.

But only the state of being intoxicated. No one asks if you binged so much you threw up because otherwise "it didn't count".

No, there are many people who will say you're not drinking properly if you haven't passed out, lost memory, spewed, done something stupid, etc.

The argument above is exactly the same with the same qualifier that of course not everyone (or even many) hold that attitude.

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Post by yieldcrv »

Trasmatta wrote: post #16

Bad trips are a real risk with all psychedelics. I don't like the attitude in psychedelic communities that there's "no such thing as a bad trip, only a challenging one". I had a couple bad trips. It felt like living in hell for a literal eternity. It's almost impossible to describe the agony that the human mind is capable of experiencing. It's absurd how much suffering the human mind can experience. The main message…

Agreed, there is a lot of victim blaming and invalidation in the psychedelic community that is oddly paradoxical.

“that experience doesn’t count! that person should have known they have, or their family has, a history of schizophrenia!”

“that experience also doesn’t count, you should have known to use it in a familiar place around people you are comfortable with!”

I dislike how legalization crowds often come up with absurd arguments just to make their “side” look harmless, as opposed to “hey, we really need to research this to isolate its redeeming benefits if any, in reproducible peer reviewed studies where side effects are more than anecdotes”

Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Post by yieldcrv »

ipnon wrote: post #14

2.3% requiring medical attention is surprisingly high. This seems orders of magnitude higher than classic psychedelics. It is likely this is greater than simply combining DMT and an MAOI.

Its probably as simple as saying certain people shouldn't take it

fast talking man at end of commercial: “dont take if you’re bipolar/schizo/pregnant/have suicidal ideations or if anyone in your family has had this either” tada!

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Post by tremarley »

Trasmatta wrote: post #16

Bad trips are a real risk with all psychedelics. I don't like the attitude in psychedelic communities that there's "no such thing as a bad trip, only a challenging one". I had a couple bad trips. It felt like living in hell for a literal eternity. It's almost impossible to describe the agony that the human mind is capable of experiencing. It's absurd how much suffering the human mind can experience. The main message…

We can get bad trips with any type of drug. Even weed and alchohol.

It can be so bad that we never want to try it again. It's all apart of the journey and the experiment.

I've had a couple bad trips, and I'm glad I had them. They created clear fear, paranoia and terror that I'll always remember. It caused me to appreciate the 'real' world a lot more.

Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Post by Trasmatta »

tremarley wrote: post #25
Trasmatta wrote: post #16

Bad trips are a real risk with all psychedelics. I don't like the attitude in psychedelic communities that there's "no such thing as a bad trip, only a challenging one". I had a couple bad trips. It felt like living in hell for a literal eternity. It's almost impossible to describe the agony that the human mind is capable of experiencing. It's absurd how much suffering the human mind can experience. The main message…

We can get bad trips with any type of drug. Even weed and alchohol. It can be so bad that we never want to try it again. It's all apart of the journey and the experiment. I've had a couple bad trips, and I'm glad I had them. They created clear fear, paranoia and terror that I'll always remember. It caused me to appreciate the 'real' world a lot more.

I've had some horrible experiences with alcohol, but nothing compared to the experience of eternal torture I felt with psychedelics.

I'm not glad I had them. The pain wasn't worth it. The lessons I learned could have been learned in different (safer) ways.

The worst nights of alcohol poisoning, vomiting, and multi day hangovers aren't even a tiny fraction of the suffering I felt on psychedelics.

Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Post by elevaet »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #20
willhinsa wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is chemotherapy Stockholm syndrome? Sometimes the medicine has to be pretty bad to fight off something worse!

What disease is ayahuasca fighting off? And specifically what is the the clinical benefit of the vomit stage?

By that token, what specifically is the clinical benefit to the vomit stage of chemo?

The argument is that the vomiting is a necessary step of this powerful medicine, and that the medicine is curing mental disease.

I'm not defending ayahuasca, I actually do think it's a sketchy corner of the psychedelic world to be trodden on very carefully, if at all. Just trying to supply the perspective.

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Post by Encrust6221 »

Trasmatta wrote: post #16

Bad trips are a real risk with all psychedelics. I don't like the attitude in psychedelic communities that there's "no such thing as a bad trip, only a challenging one". I had a couple bad trips. It felt like living in hell for a literal eternity. It's almost impossible to describe the agony that the human mind is capable of experiencing. It's absurd how much suffering the human mind can experience. The main message…

I took mushrooms three years ago and immediately gained a pervasive baseline anxiety in my life. Haven't been able to shake it since. Wouldn't recommend if you have any issues with anxiety in your life beforehand.
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