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Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Probably a good time to download an archive of your Twitter data: https://twitter.com/settings/download_your_data

OH WOW, LOOK! https://twitter.com/account/personalization/download_your_da...

Your point? When I go to that URL, I get

{"errors":[{"code":410,"message":"You need to verify your password before you can view this content."}]}

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#232
post #94

The next outage will have a good likelihood of being the last outage.

Yeah. Multiple entire teams that run critical systems have reportedly left. It’s over. Dead site running. Such a horrible loss. Glad the stockholders are happy. This was clearly better than the lawsuit. /s

The stockholders didn't have any choice in any of this.

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post #50
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@dang - maybe let one twitter story through to the home page?

It is a little strange that I have seen almost no Twitter stories on the front page in the last week. Has dang or anyone talked about why that might be? Is it getting caught in the flamewar algorithm? Are they treating this as one big story so any individual article gets removed as a repost?

they are heavily moderating it. I only saw a couple of front page stories last week, and these events have been headline news internationally.

i hope the reason is because of the risk of flamewars, rather than YC leadership's desire to protect the reputation of someone who is hagified in SV circles and currently crashing and burning very publicly.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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post #214

I was really thinking about this sabbotage thing yesterday. In these large companies, to make changes to a lot of systems, you have to have someone else also sign on to the changes (eg. code review). If your aim is sabotage, you would have to find a like minded saboteur to work with you. In normal times, at most places, this is risky, because most others would not want to assist you, and would likely report you. The…

The legal system still exists though and your changes would need to not be auditable or else you're going to get thrown in jail. And no matter how much you think you're smarter than the average bear, you're probably going to leave traces. And if Musk gets personally pissed off at some bit of particularly bad sabotage he's got enough money to hire some actual expert outside talent to manage the incident and nail your ass to make an example of you. Which he most certainly would do.

Employees interested in sabotage should not do anything stupid, they should just join the exodus.

Fantasizing can be fun though.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#235
post #2

How will Musk's failure at Twitter affect market confidence in his other ventures?

I once wanted a Tesla Powerwall. If I do get anything like that for the house, it's not going to be a Tesla product. Though, to be fair, I made that decision before he set Twitter alight.

I wouldn't have anything like that in my house any more than I'd store 100 gallons of gasoline in my house. Maybe in a shed, 50 ft or more away.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#236
post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wild? Musk has said for a long time Twitter needs 75% less staff. What did you expect firing that many people to look like?

Presumably you'd build a coherent plan for what the future company would need, figure out which employees are best suited to get you there, and then make strategic layoffs to non-core services and teams outside of that scope. Or you could send a Google doc to every employee with two days notice saying "Click here to work yourself to death for uncertain reward" and then be surprised when hardly anyone agrees.

Doing the big ultimatum after firing a random half of the organization and then demanding RTO really wasn't the best planning

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#237
post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is pushing the limits (and maybe finding them) of how quickly you can correct head count in a larger company. We won’t know if his actual vision for the product is bad until he gets done with this transitional period and can start releasing updates. Basically I’d argue not much happened yet but HR meetings.

How are they going to release updates when they just nuked the entire design and engineering staff?

To be fair, that design and engineering staff took over a year and couldn't deliver an "edit" feature. Project Veritas caught some Twitter engineer on camera claiming to work 4 hours per week.

This is not an endorsement of Elon or anything he's doing with Twitter, but Twitter's core product is not complicated. For some comparisons:

Rumble has 35 employees

When WhatsApp was sold to FB in 2014 they had 55 employees.

WeChat has about 1400 employees.

My guess is you could successfully run Twitter with a few hundred employees.

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#238

The management is worried about internal sabotage? My Twitter friends said Twitter has been having large exodus. CSL(core systems lib?) team, blobstore team, graph platform team, and revenue forecasting team seemed have all quit. I'm not sure how robust and autonomous Twitter's infra is. Hopefully Twitter will continue to function.

I remember getting into Sangria (Scala's GraphQL implementation) for the first time a couple years ago and seeing Twitter devs helping contribute to the lib. Was excited to see Twitter push that envelope. Now sad to see it all go away.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#239
post #139

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

> somebody who takes over the company and accrues so much social debt so quickly What is 'social debt' and how is it (objectively) measured?

Elon did two things: - he angered elites by changing the blue mark from status symbol to something else. - he angered the techies by firing people. These people have so much clout that doing sentiment analysis on his name before and after the twitter fiasco would probably have very interesting results.

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post #60
post #2

How will Musk's failure at Twitter affect market confidence in his other ventures?

Not that this is at all significant, but these past few months of Twitter charades have erased any appetite for one day buying a Tesla, or any other Musk owned products. Luckily almost every automaker is coming out with their own EVs in the next couple years, so the market should be pretty competitive(in some ways it already is).

Same. The car is good, but I now wish I hadn't bought it.
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