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Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by generationP »

nemothekid wrote: post #34
pschuegr wrote: post #25

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

> Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's a lose-lose situation; I don't think Twitter's problems would be solved by engineering harder; and you will spend 80 hrs/wk where you can end up fired because people aren't as deterministic as cars. It's a comp…

Looks like EM is riven between "make Twitter an open platform for all opinions" and "burn Twitter down". Both good aims, but a mixed strategy does not lead anywhere good.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#72

Post by abxytg »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #47
nemothekid wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's a lose-lose situation; I don't think Twitter's problems would be solved by engineering harder; and you will spend 80 hrs/wk where you can end up fired because people aren't as deterministic as cars. It's a comp…

You know the butterfly effect where one small decision affects tens of thousands of other things? That must have been the day that things were going to well at Tesla, record profits, etc, that Musk got bored and decided he only likes to work under unbearable pressure. So, he made a couple of insulting tweets and now here we are. I really can't believe he didn't put any escape clauses in his contract, no due dilligenc…

> Twitter is just web dev stuff

put it on a shirt. twitter is the .01% of web dev. what they do isn't easy and there are no right answers.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by purpleblue »

pschuegr wrote: post #25

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

I'd be willing to work "hardcore" if there were enough reward, ie a huge raise and lots of equity in the new company. I have a feeling if I asked him what it would be, he would fire me though. There's no point in working for a mercurial boss like that. No ability to freely speak your mind is a complete waste of everyone's time.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by 1letterunixname »

BeefWellington wrote: post #8

Regardless of your feelings about Elon Musk as a person, this kind of behavior is absolutely crazy for the leader of a company. I can't imagine what investors who signed on to do this with him are thinking unless their goal was to simply destroy the company.

It's how to murder morale, demotivate people, and force high-performers out. There's no such thing as "creative destruction" when it comes to leadership or teams. And so there's no salvaging EM's or Twitter's reputation at this point.

He should stick to engineering and let sensible, mature, secure adults run companies.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by ceejayoz »

phire wrote: post #70
nemothekid wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's a lose-lose situation; I don't think Twitter's problems would be solved by engineering harder; and you will spend 80 hrs/wk where you can end up fired because people aren't as deterministic as cars. It's a comp…

> I'm not sure what Elon was thinking when he even decided to buy Twitter. The first time? It really looks like it was the result of a disagreement with the Twitter board. They wouldn't accept his advice or help on how to make twitter better after he became a 9.1% shareholder. The offer to buy the company outright might have been more spite than anything else. I think he calmed down and realised what a bad idea his o…

> They wouldn't accept his advice or help on how to make twitter better after he became a 9.1% shareholder.

That's certainly looking like it was the right call.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by 1letterunixname »

xwdv wrote: post #55
BeefWellington wrote: post #8

Regardless of your feelings about Elon Musk as a person, this kind of behavior is absolutely crazy for the leader of a company. I can't imagine what investors who signed on to do this with him are thinking unless their goal was to simply destroy the company.

I think the goal was to destroy the company. Twitter has become such a cesspool and liability for a lot of important people and governments. Bring in someone like Elon Musk to blow it up in spectacular fashion.

Spouting off conspiracy theories aren't evidence of anything. Occam's razor would suggest he's more likely to be an arrogant, incompetent manager who's had a few successes here and there but is ultimately out-of-touch with reality and triumphally operating well outside his limited experience.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by coffeebeqn »

generationP wrote: post #71
nemothekid wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's a lose-lose situation; I don't think Twitter's problems would be solved by engineering harder; and you will spend 80 hrs/wk where you can end up fired because people aren't as deterministic as cars. It's a comp…

Looks like EM is riven between "make Twitter an open platform for all opinions" and "burn Twitter down". Both good aims, but a mixed strategy does not lead anywhere good.

This is a completely absurd plan from one person. Especially as egoistic as Musk. He never wanted it to be a free speech platform. Just more pleasing to his opinions
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