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Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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_everyone_ loved Elon when he stuck to EVs, spaceX, solar panels, and boring companies.

Yeah, that was when he was useful enough to outweigh his jackassery. And hey, maybe if he kills twitter, he'll still be doing humanity a service.

people will just flee to other social media. Twitter dying changes nothing

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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I think there are going to be two levels of shock: 1) Never give people an ultimatum. It basically never works in your favor. That was such a dumb thing by Elon and his team. I don't think Elon expected the numbers to be so high. 2) Workers often overestimate their own worth within a company or how easily they can be replaced. It's likely that all the people leaving saying Twitter is going to majorly break soon won't…

https://mobile.twitter.com/nitashatiku/status/15933997046366... !!! “I know of six critical systems (like ‘serving tweets’ levels of critical) which no longer have any engineers," "There is no longer even a skeleton crew manning the system. It will continue to coast until it runs into something, and then it will stop.” Could be fake, but assuming true, can Elon take it back? Is a webform like legally binding for seve…

10% of Twitter’s engineers is much closer to 150 than 700. The majority of twitters employees were not engineers.

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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https://mobile.twitter.com/nitashatiku/status/15933997046366... !!! “I know of six critical systems (like ‘serving tweets’ levels of critical) which no longer have any engineers," "There is no longer even a skeleton crew manning the system. It will continue to coast until it runs into something, and then it will stop.” Could be fake, but assuming true, can Elon take it back? Is a webform like legally binding for seve…

I think right now emotions are flying high, so people are going to make grand statements (and of course the press, which now hates Musk, is very gung-ho to publish anything.) I'm sure some systems will fail, but as to if the general public will really notice much of it, I have doubts. I could be wrong, but I've seen employees make similar claims after being fired or leaving and generally most everything working out.…

You’re absolutely right for any small group of people, but if 88 percent of employees are gone(and you’re right that’s a big if right now) I don’t think there’s a precedent for this?

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_everyone_ loved Elon when he stuck to EVs, spaceX, solar panels, and boring companies.

The submarine/rescue situation should've clued many more people into his capricious, reckless nature, but yet many persisted.

This country has a serious problem with platforming and idolizing narcissists and non-violent psychopaths and it needs to stop. Sh*t-shows like this hopefully have a chance of showing everyone that these monsters don't deserve our adulation.

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

#35

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https://mobile.twitter.com/nitashatiku/status/15933997046366... !!! “I know of six critical systems (like ‘serving tweets’ levels of critical) which no longer have any engineers," "There is no longer even a skeleton crew manning the system. It will continue to coast until it runs into something, and then it will stop.” Could be fake, but assuming true, can Elon take it back? Is a webform like legally binding for seve…

I think right now emotions are flying high, so people are going to make grand statements (and of course the press, which now hates Musk, is very gung-ho to publish anything.) I'm sure some systems will fail, but as to if the general public will really notice much of it, I have doubts. I could be wrong, but I've seen employees make similar claims after being fired or leaving and generally most everything working out.…

its fine

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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I think right now emotions are flying high, so people are going to make grand statements (and of course the press, which now hates Musk, is very gung-ho to publish anything.) I'm sure some systems will fail, but as to if the general public will really notice much of it, I have doubts. I could be wrong, but I've seen employees make similar claims after being fired or leaving and generally most everything working out.…

You’re absolutely right for any small group of people, but if 88 percent of employees are gone(and you’re right that’s a big if right now) I don’t think there’s a precedent for this?

IMO, it really depends what teams they are from. If you lost 88% of your engineers then that would be a big problem, I just don't think that will be correct. I'm sure for people that were deemed indispensable at the moment were offered more money to stay on. That is something I've seen elsewhere during massive reorgs. I could be wrong; I can't speak for Elon. He seems like a loose cannon at times, but I don't think he's making all the decisions alone.

I saw an article backtracking on some things reported, with Twitter being a lot more flexible with people deemed "essential," which lends itself to my general view.

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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That brings it down to under 1000 employees So Elon paid $44B for a company now with 900-odd employees. For a 10-year ROI, that's $4.4B per year profit, or $440 million/per employee For contrast, Netflix has the highest revenue per employee at $2.63 million/person, and Apple is second at $2.38 million, and Alphabet & Meta next at $1.64, and eBay at $0.9 million per employee. So, he'll need to get 200x the profitabili…

It seems like ad spending is only going to get more difficult since there are way more options, spending is down in general, and Twitter is not video centric. That being said if you think those things are true then the absolute right move is to scale back operations and stop trying to be a growth innovator - and instead just be a really great forum. Reddit has 700 employees. Twitter can probably survive with 1000. It…

Yup, and to do that, he'll have to go right back to the mainstream moderation he loathes, as advertisers won't pay for even uncertainty (nevermind a hellscape), and the right-wing market won't pay and already has several sunken or underwater competitors.

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

_everyone_ loved Elon when he stuck to EVs, spaceX, solar panels, and boring companies.

The submarine/rescue situation should've clued many more people into his capricious, reckless nature, but yet many persisted. This country has a serious problem with platforming and idolizing narcissists and non-violent psychopaths and it needs to stop. Sh*t-shows like this hopefully have a chance of showing everyone that these monsters don't deserve our adulation.

Boring Company and the absurd outcome of the Tesla tunnel in Las Vegas were other clear warning signs.

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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I think there are going to be two levels of shock: 1) Never give people an ultimatum. It basically never works in your favor. That was such a dumb thing by Elon and his team. I don't think Elon expected the numbers to be so high. 2) Workers often overestimate their own worth within a company or how easily they can be replaced. It's likely that all the people leaving saying Twitter is going to majorly break soon won't…

I don't think anything like this has ever happened before to a system with this scale, so who can say? But just as an engineer at another company that probably has a vaguely similar architecture it's certainly in a place of extreme risk. It just depends on if they can get people in place to hold together the critical services. Also things are much more likely to break it they start trying to change things, it will take longer for a problem to happen if there is little new feature work.
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