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FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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That's one theory. Of course, given the depth of financial depravity on display here and the incredible thinness of the financial defense, one must also entertain the theory that they did do the due diligence, they were aware of how dangerous this was, and they invested anyhow for other reasons. And that those reasons are probably not good. There have been many cases where companies go to great lengths to do accounti…

What blows my mind is that SBF is going to investors asking for money in his billion dollar "no you can't look at the books" crypto hedge fund while looking like he's playing hookie from his math class and playing video games during the pitch meeting and the supposedly very serious Wall Street types went "Wow! This guy is amazing! All the money he wants and more!".

It was Sequoia that was impressed by him during the pitch where he was playing League of Legends, not Wall St.

Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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In a separate article Ray also said: “Never in my career have I seen such a complete failure of corporate controls and such a complete absence of trustworthy financial information as occurred here,” And this is the same man who oversaw the liquidation of Enron. "Ray said he had found at FTX international, FTX US and Bankman-Fried’s Alameda Research trading company “compromised systems integrity”, “faulty regulatory o…

Nassim Taleb said it: "Crypto is a gigantic construction built by maladjusted children."

https://mobile.twitter.com/nntaleb/status/159059960483560652...

Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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post #114

In a separate article Ray also said: “Never in my career have I seen such a complete failure of corporate controls and such a complete absence of trustworthy financial information as occurred here,” And this is the same man who oversaw the liquidation of Enron. "Ray said he had found at FTX international, FTX US and Bankman-Fried’s Alameda Research trading company “compromised systems integrity”, “faulty regulatory o…

I was trying to reason through why somebody would step in as CEO specifically for the bankruptcy. How does he get compensated? I’m assuming it’s not simply a goodwill/hobby thing

He's a specialist in bankruptcy and liquidation administration. Essentially the debtors have appointed him to take over and identify what can be sold or salvaged. He gets paid out of whatever funds he can find.

Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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Also at least Elizabeth wasn't stupid enough to give an interview to Vox where she admitted everything was a fraud and then told the regulators to fuck themselves. SBF's parents are both Stanford law professors, they or someone really needs to tell the kid to just stop talking.

And his girlfriend (Alameda CEO) Caroline Ellison's dad is Gary Gensler's former boss at MIT.

That's not true - people should stop mindlessly parroting it.

Glenn Ellison is the department head of the Econ school, Gary Gensler worked in the business school. In any case, department heads aren't the "boss" of the rest of the professors in any sense familiar to the corporate world. They're just professors with administrative responsibilities and the point-of-contact to the Dean's office.

https://economics.mit.edu/people/faculty/glenn-ellison

https://web.archive.org/web/20210415164859/https://mitsloan....

Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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post #114

In a separate article Ray also said: “Never in my career have I seen such a complete failure of corporate controls and such a complete absence of trustworthy financial information as occurred here,” And this is the same man who oversaw the liquidation of Enron. "Ray said he had found at FTX international, FTX US and Bankman-Fried’s Alameda Research trading company “compromised systems integrity”, “faulty regulatory o…

And this is only after a few days that's he's had to examine the FTX books. There's likely a lot more bodies buried that will take a bit longer to find.

I have my doubts that they actually took time to bury the bodies.

Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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post #114

In a separate article Ray also said: “Never in my career have I seen such a complete failure of corporate controls and such a complete absence of trustworthy financial information as occurred here,” And this is the same man who oversaw the liquidation of Enron. "Ray said he had found at FTX international, FTX US and Bankman-Fried’s Alameda Research trading company “compromised systems integrity”, “faulty regulatory o…

I was trying to reason through why somebody would step in as CEO specifically for the bankruptcy. How does he get compensated? I’m assuming it’s not simply a goodwill/hobby thing

He’s there on behalf of the new owners (the people who FTX owed money to) and his job is to untangle what happened, see what can be salvaged if anything, and then part up the carcass and dispose of it. Read his filing and in the first three pages he explains what he’s doing there and what his priorities are. He’s basically a trusted neutral party who’s made a career of stepping in to sort out messes like this. A very niche career track and nothing like the job of a CEO in a healthy organization. More like part forensic investigator, part salvage operator, part corp lawyer.

Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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post #74

Those are some candid remarks by the new CEO. "I have over 40 years of legal and restructuring experience. [...] Never in my career have I seen such a complete failure of corporate controls and such a complete absence of trustworthy financial information as occurred here. From compromised systems integrity and faulty regulatory oversight abroad, to the concentration of control in the hands of a very small group of in…

Not from finance - what is meant here by “potentially compromised”? Is that just as vague in context?

Employee theft - CYA in case they're not, but heavily implying that there's evidence of criminal activity from the inexperienced and unsophisticated people in control of FTX.

Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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post #97

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Agree that while "they got swept up in the moment" is a reasonable theory (Hanlon's razor and what not), it also seem very plausible that they knew it was risky but not how risky, and felt like there was still a positive expected value because they would be able sell their coins early (I saw a tweet about how a16z is still up 5x on it's crypto investments because of this[1]). [1] https://twitter.com/mims/status/15929…

I suspect that's the most plausible, least "evil" theory. Although that still leaves them knowingly gambling that bigger fools, who they intend to take advantage of, will come along later, so I personally wouldn't consider that "good". But I also won't deny it's a dog-eat-dog world at that level and everyone playing at that level is already aware and taking that into account. In that case it just turns out they were…

A cynical, but not entirely incorrect, take could be that greater fool theory is a pretty critical part of the VC model. The final fool in that process being when they offload to the public markets.

Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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post #4

The new CEO of FTX states that FTX had no accounting department. lol. > “The Debtors do not have an accounting department,” Ray wrote, stating he expected it would be “some time” before reliable financial statements could be prepared.

This shouldn’t be surprising at all after seeing their balance sheet with round numbers like $5,000,000,000 in assets and $12,000,000,000 in liabilities. It looked like SBF made it in Excel while his LoL game was loading.

That Balance Sheet is so unbelievably wrong.

I would have gotten an F if I had done that in my first Accounting 101 quiz.

Just to see it describing the financial situation of a company holding millions is just unbelievable.

Re: FTX used corporate funds to purchase employee homes, new filing shows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was trying to reason through why somebody would step in as CEO specifically for the bankruptcy. How does he get compensated? I’m assuming it’s not simply a goodwill/hobby thing

He's a specialist in bankruptcy and liquidation administration. Essentially the debtors have appointed him to take over and identify what can be sold or salvaged. He gets paid out of whatever funds he can find.

Ah yeah, that makes sense.

I’m surprised the debtors assumed control of the company that quickly though. Figured it would take some time to play out

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