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I am absolutely genuine, and I think you do not understand the average American. The rest of the world may dream about our wages but it's still putting lipstick on a pig. Most the people I know can't even feed their families right now, let alone buy a book for pleasure. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from but the lives of college-educated middle-class Americans and above are not representative of…

Median household income in the US in 2022 is $78,000. The average American has adequate income and can't justify pirating movies, books, music, porn, etc. on the basis of poverty.

> The US has the largest gap between its top earners and everyone else. The Netherlands actually surpasses the US for GDP per-capita of the bottom 99%, and the difference between Germany and the US narrows considerably.

https://blogs.worldbank.org/psd/removing-oligarchs-from-per-...

I wonder what would happen if you removed the top 10%, other than that 99% of the people posting on HN wouldn't be counted.

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If you're pirating Stephen King or a 300$ textbook from a guy who has tenure at Harvard I doubt anyone probably including the author cares but a fair amount of authors aren't making any more than you make. Friend of mine published her own graphic novel basically living in her parents attic and a day after it was out someone had ripped it and thrown it on a comic piracy site. That's not ethical. If you live on a 12-15…

Time and again it has been shown that pirating doesn't hurt sales because it is rarely if ever done by people who would've paid for the stuff anyway. Moreover, making stuff easily accessible (e.g. Steam, Nerflix) reduces piracy by orders of magnitude.

> pirating doesn't hurt sales because it is rarely if ever done by people who would've paid for the stuff anyway.

> making stuff easily accessible (e.g. Steam, Nerflix) reduces piracy by orders of magnitude.

So it's rarely done by people who would've paid for the stuff but it's mostly done by people who would have paid (just not as much)?

Schrödinger's pirates: none of them would pay - but all of them would.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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I don't want to say in the meantime, but, in the meantime, the pedophile ring that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell served have not even been cited, ever.

And how many people went to prison over the crash of 2008?

A small family bank was the only one prosecuted after the 2008 crisis. ‘Abacus’ tells its tale.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/a-small-china...

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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I have family that works for DOL's Wage & Hour division. The amount of wage theft is _staggering_. They are chronically understaffed and overworked. Plus, every time a Republican administration comes into power, their enforcement power gets severely limited, except in the most egregious cases.

When people get paid more, the government gets more tax revenue. Smart government would double this division's resources, but governments are anything but smart.

The purpose of cutting that division is not optimizing the government's revenue, it's optimizing the revenue of their campaign backers.

This isn't a policy that was adopted just because, it's the reason the party gets money (As opposed to stuff like the culture war, which is just the excuse that drives the base out to vote).

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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A small thought experiment: - Book sales in 2021 were about _9_ billion dollars. [0] - Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1] Can you imagine if the resources of the justice and labour departments would prioritize citizen wage over publishers' revenue? Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals completely outside US jurisdi…

Can you imagine if the resources allocated to "social justice" were allocated towards the poor and others in dire need?

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Taking a fact raised in another comment and returning the discussion to books, information, and its access:

Total bookstore sales in the US are apparently on the order of $9 billion annually.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/197710/annual-book-store...>

Dividing by a population of 333 millions, we arrive at an annualised per-person book sales figure of just over $27. For a family of four, that's less than $110 annually.

Discussions of books, other content, copyright, and authors almost always descends into lamentations of "but authors should be paid". Those lamenters at the same time seem utterly insensitive to the fact that many millions of people in the US, and billions worldwide, could have access to information but do not, because of an industry-driven interest, largely of publishers rather than authors, on insisting on direct, per-copy, payment for works. This utterly obsolete practice has an enormous deadweight cost in loss of access to information.

I'd given household and family bases above, but the fairer allocation would be based on income or even wealth. I'm sticking with income as those values are easier to find.

Total household income in the US is ... let's call it $9 trillion.[1] So that the $9 billion in book sales is 1/1,000 of household income, equivalent to a taxed rate of 0.1%. The median household earning about $63,000 could have unlimited access for only $63 a year, or $5.25/month. Households falling below the median would pay even less, and I'd suggest a progressive scale to ensure that this fall to nil for lower incomes generally.

That would provide all the present income to authors and publishers, access to unlimited books (I'm assuming digital formats), and lift those deadweight losses, free up access to materials presently under copyright but not available for purchase at all, and much, much more.

Publishers would lose no wealth. Though I strongly suspect we'd discover that what in fact motivates them is power and control.

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Notes:

1. We're working with 333 million people in the US (https://www.census.gov/popclock/>), 2.6 per household (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/HSD410220>), and a mean (not median) household income of $72,641 (in 2014, https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/tables/time-ser...>).

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Imagine the person who cannot afford a book or paper on a particular topic. Should they not have access to the information? I agree, as always there is nuance, but zlib et al fulfill a need for certain people. In b4 public libraries, they aren't equal around the world, depend on geographic proximity and add latency to the learning process.

> Imagine the person who cannot afford a book or paper on a particular topic. Should they not have access to the information? Imagine I want whatever you do for a living? Should you work for me for free?

“Imagine a completely different question! Check mate!”

GP asked a simple yes or no question: Do you think knowledge should be denied to people that can’t afford it?

Your answer is “yes.” I don’t see the added value of trying feeble linguistic jiu jitsu to justify your position that yes, society should deny knowledge to those who can’t afford it.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Me and my colleagues will be affected by the end of Z library and co related projects. Here in Brazil and for sure in most second and third world countries, people don't have money to spend in books. You can argue that people can go to the library, but in most cases it's even expensive to take a bus or taxi even a Uber. I'm a law student at an university in brazil. Law books are really expensive. Even though my unive…

The Z Library is still alive, as a TOR Hidden Service: http://zlibrary24tuxziyiyfr7zd46ytefdqbqd2axkmxm4o5374ptpc52...

How long that remains the case with at least two of its principals arrested may be somewhat uncertain.

Any present operator(s) and site(s) would have to remain outside the reach of US or other Western jurisdiction and extradition treaties.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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I know this won't be a popular take on HN, but while I can understand and to a certain extent sympathize with pirating movies (the intentional friction and arbitrary geographic limitations on access imposed by the multinational movie-industry conglomerates), I can't see stealing some poor author's work in the same light. Sure, people get hung-up about DRM (which can easily be removed by widely-accessible tools), but…

It takes but a few moments thought to realise that there are many alternative remuneration models available for authors and creators.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33647625>

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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post #170

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I have family that works for DOL's Wage & Hour division. The amount of wage theft is _staggering_. They are chronically understaffed and overworked. Plus, every time a Republican administration comes into power, their enforcement power gets severely limited, except in the most egregious cases.

When people get paid more, the government gets more tax revenue. Smart government would double this division's resources, but governments are anything but smart.

Just in the past year, there was a pretty significant fight about funding the IRS. Despite additional IRS funding yielding significant returns.
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