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> its' logical conclusions such as?
See the article. Nietzsche was driven to madness and died alone in an insane asylum.
If that's a "logical conclusion" as you said, then by what kind of logic exactly? I'm curious
The Twilight of Nietzsche
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Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche
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There can be value in understanding where a thought came from: the problem is reducing all of the thought to its provenance. Nietzsche was sick, hence you must restate the validity of his arguments. This argument is garbage. Try to prove it, you will fail. You can disagree with Nietzsche: do so in the realm of philosophy, not in that of biography. Otherwise, your thoughts too will be just what you had for breakfast
> You can disagree with Nietzsche: do so in the realm of philosophy, not in that of biography What you’re implying is that considering the circumstances of life is ad hominem, which I do not agree with. I’d argue that you cannot truly understand the philosophy without the context, it’s baked in. So you need to know the context to truly disagree with the correct thing, but yes the disagreement should be specifically w…
This I agree with. Context is a thing, saying as the article did things along the line of "Nietzsche was sick so this explains x" is another
Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche
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See the article. Nietzsche was driven to madness and died alone in an insane asylum.
If that's a "logical conclusion" as you said, then by what kind of logic exactly? I'm curious
By Nietzches logic (if you can call it that). The will to power is a completely unnatainable goal for the vast majority of people, by reason of circumstance. His philosophy offers nothing but a hollow sense of self importance for those of us subject to the whims of blonde beasts.
Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche
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Your question presupposes that you should orient yourself towards something in particular.
Yes, indeed. * Do you believe that you (personally) have some kind of freedom? * If so, you would have to decide how to use that freedom. Otherwise, it's not really freedom, is it? * Finally, in order to make any decision you have to put yourself in some coordinates, orient yourself. Otherwise, it's not a decision, but a random choice. Remember that avoiding coming up with any decision is also a decision.
I'm not sure how we can tell whether we do have freedom or if it's illusory. It's not clear how much we are biologically and socially determined. Imagine being in a river with a strong current. Everything you do is still subject to the current. You can't stop the river. You can't swim upstream. The bigger problem is that we can't see the river until we've been in it for a while. It seems we're mostly swimming blindly.
Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche
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Yes, indeed. * Do you believe that you (personally) have some kind of freedom? * If so, you would have to decide how to use that freedom. Otherwise, it's not really freedom, is it? * Finally, in order to make any decision you have to put yourself in some coordinates, orient yourself. Otherwise, it's not a decision, but a random choice. Remember that avoiding coming up with any decision is also a decision.
I'm not sure how we can tell whether we do have freedom or if it's illusory. It's not clear how much we are biologically and socially determined. Imagine being in a river with a strong current. Everything you do is still subject to the current. You can't stop the river. You can't swim upstream. The bigger problem is that we can't see the river until we've been in it for a while. It seems we're mostly swimming blindly…
The concept of freedom is one of the major philosophical questions.
However, if we look at our own personal (subjective) experience, it becomes obvious that everyone actually behaves like we do have some sort of freedom. No healthy individual thinks that they are just a dead rock in a river.
Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche
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I'm not sure how we can tell whether we do have freedom or if it's illusory. It's not clear how much we are biologically and socially determined. Imagine being in a river with a strong current. Everything you do is still subject to the current. You can't stop the river. You can't swim upstream. The bigger problem is that we can't see the river until we've been in it for a while. It seems we're mostly swimming blindly…
The concept of freedom is one of the major philosophical questions. However, if we look at our own personal (subjective) experience, it becomes obvious that everyone actually behaves like we do have some sort of freedom. No healthy individual thinks that they are just a dead rock in a river.
You think that there should be a guide rail, or you should orient yourself towards something for meaning to work. My point is that we come into this world with more or less a trajectory (think of it as an orientation if you will). I think you have to be socially isolated or depressed to not see how your values lead you to meaningful action. Someone who is well integrated into their culture or subculture does not care to question if there is a meaning to life because they are already doing meaningful things.
Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche
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The concept of freedom is one of the major philosophical questions. However, if we look at our own personal (subjective) experience, it becomes obvious that everyone actually behaves like we do have some sort of freedom. No healthy individual thinks that they are just a dead rock in a river.
You think that there should be a guide rail, or you should orient yourself towards something for meaning to work. My point is that we come into this world with more or less a trajectory (think of it as an orientation if you will). I think you have to be socially isolated or depressed to not see how your values lead you to meaningful action. Someone who is well integrated into their culture or subculture does not care…
I agree, we don't live in a vacuum of meanings. Quite the opposite, we are bombarded by all kinds of values and meanings, coming from our social environment.
The problem is that some people realise that those meanings do not satisfy them, they do not work in some circumstances, that there is something more. So the people start raising difficult questions. They search for other kind of meanings and profound values, from the inside.
Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche
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> But the reality of human fallibility leads to terminal ressentiment in the end for anyone fixed in that philosophy. It is a total dead end. Could you elaborate a little bit? If you're going to disregard his thought with a broad stroke, you might as well
>Could you elaborate a little bit? If you're going to disregard his thought with a broad stroke, you might as well I'm certainly not disregarding him. His work was (and is) important. But the reason it lives on is to serve as a cautionary tale. It saves you from taking a turn down that road which can be so appealing to precocious young minds who aren't aware of its' logical conclusions.
I wish your assertions had some substance to analyze or understand what you're thinking about.