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Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by Nullabillity »

can16358p wrote: post #276
madmoose wrote: post #141

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So you're saying that the more people disagree with you, the more entrenched you become in your position? That doesn't sound like a healthy way to form opinions.

The more people I see who disagree with me on this topic, the more I'm concerned about the future of tech world. It's not like I like red color and you like blue and we disagree. We're talking about a fundamental regulation hurting innovation here. Sure, big tech shouldn't track our every move and they should reasonably protect our data, yet we're the ones giving our data (which we don't have to) in the first place a…

> We're talking about a fundamental regulation hurting innovation here.

Which innovation is being hurt by this?

> yet we're the ones giving our data (which we don't have to)

In practice, there's not much of a choice between "give up your data" and "don't participate in society". It makes sense to use regulation to fix that.

> forcing a ridiculous amount of cookie accept boxes virtually on every website on Earth is not the way to go.

The GDPR provides a great way to avoid consent boxes: stop tracking your users!

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by Nullabillity »

bombcar wrote: post #49
morjom wrote: post #30

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How is this UI design? Wouldn't this fall under UX or just basic functionality? I press X, program close. If I want it minimized I press the minimize button.

The classic use case is minimize to tray vs minimize to taskbar. Winamp even had these two different modes in like 1999.

Winamp is:

1. Making it obvious that it's still active (hard to miss that a music player is... playing music)

2. Not listening to your microphone

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by Nullabillity »

ahungry wrote: post #188
simion314 wrote: post #177

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I think if you are doing the close is actually not killing the app you should ensure the user is aware the app is still recording. Some apps will show a recoding thinggy ont he screen or it will tell you before closing and you need to agree. I don't have the time to test this, but if is true that you close the app and it sill continue recording that this is bad UX and the company should have prioritize fixing this in…

Doesn't it show a system tray icon? (I don't use discord on Windows, or a system tray myself) - is a system tray icon not adequate? I believe it would show 24/7 wouldn't it?

The system tray icon turns into a generic circle that nobody would associate with Discord unless they tried clicking it.

Windows has also been hiding all system tray icons for over 2 decades at this point, unless the user specifically unhides that application.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by burkaman »

JaredLee wrote: post #270
burkaman wrote: post #93

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It's not just that the application keeps running, but the active voice call you're in stays connected and everyone can still hear you. That is definitely counterintuitive, I would at least expect a popup saying "did you mean to close the call, this is just minimizing it to the background" or something. Also, that's 1 of 5 issues.

It's not counterintuitive to anyone who has used a VoIP application in the past ten years.

Well one of Discord's main demographics (which they intentionally target) is kids, who often haven't used any other VoIP application outside of a phone.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by sangnoir »

doublerabbit wrote: post #263
dogleash wrote: post #253

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True. This is why I mentioned intentionality in design. The design of email means there is an argument for the legal system that gmail is a very very popular post office. That email is a system wherein users have disparate storage areas for receiving/archiving emails, and gmail is one of many organizations that offers users the service of managing their individualized storage area on their behalf. In the service that…

I would argue that discord and IRC, are email too. It's just the protocol of communication dictates. They all carry data to a username@somewhere; whether it a tld, username or id. IRC enables Text & Attachments in text form (ie links) Email Enables Attachments in visual (html emails) Discord Enables Voice, Text and Attachments (Asynchronous sockets) That's all it is. Present a Video, Picture, Voice to your visitor an…

> I would argue that discord and IRC, are email too. It's just the protocol of communication dictates.

Assuming all this is correct, if a GMail user requests their account to be deleted, Google should delete that data.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by friendzis »

namdnay wrote: post #205
nabla9 wrote: post #171

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No. Email is private messaging. If you send email to me and then delete it in your end, I'm allowed to store your email as a whole (sometimes legally obliged).

And if I send an email to 200 recipients they can all store it, I don’t see the fundamental difference for discord TBH

There are two fundamental differences.

1. With email you send messages to a specific, finite list of recipients.

2. With email change of recipient list will not send them past messages whereas once you have access to discord channel you get access to history too.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by phendrenad2 »

balaga01 wrote: post #185
phendrenad2 wrote: post #145

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Have those other laws been enforced against Discord? Also, pulling out of one zone because they enforced (what you believe to be an onerous) a law against you is always valid, it'll make the others think hard about enforcing the law against you.

> it'll make the others think hard about enforcing the law against you. We are not talking about some high-security military stuff here, it's only a chat app. It might be a big part of your world, but I can guarantee you that if they try to pull that off nobody in any government would care. I am pretty sure of the contrary actually: that several governments in EU have dreams of getting rid of these platform, and that…

If every chat app makes the same determination and disables itself in the EU no one will care? I doubt that.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by phendrenad2 »

InCityDreams wrote: post #191
phendrenad2 wrote: post #145

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Have those other laws been enforced against Discord? Also, pulling out of one zone because they enforced (what you believe to be an onerous) a law against you is always valid, it'll make the others think hard about enforcing the law against you.

Vpn's exist. I fairly frequently come up against us websites that tell 'content not available in your area due to gdpr'. Thankfully the vpn i use is three clicks and I'm in America.

Not many people use VPNs.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by phendrenad2 »

remram wrote: post #209
phendrenad2 wrote: post #142

yawn Wake me up when they start imposing €800k fines on businesses that can't afford to pay. Right now, GDPR feels like a way to shake down large businesses for free money, not a serious law they want to impose for principled reasons.

Discord fixed the issues so it works. I don't see the point of bigger fines unless the issues don't get fixed.

I don't think you understood my comment.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by thefz »

can16358p wrote: post #276
madmoose wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying that the more people disagree with you, the more entrenched you become in your position? That doesn't sound like a healthy way to form opinions.

The more people I see who disagree with me on this topic, the more I'm concerned about the future of tech world. It's not like I like red color and you like blue and we disagree. We're talking about a fundamental regulation hurting innovation here. Sure, big tech shouldn't track our every move and they should reasonably protect our data, yet we're the ones giving our data (which we don't have to) in the first place a…

In the EU we have institutions set up to protect the citizen, deal with it.
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