SOPA vote is now December 21 • Hacker News Board

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by sek » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 1:13 PM UTC

_delirium wrote: post #29

sek wrote: post #28

German here, can somebody explain to me what it means when this passes? As far as i understand it, the US controlled tld's like .com .net are done. Every time someone posts something on these sites they could be shut down, what is impossible to prevent by sites like Tumblr and Facebook. Probably for every domain when the company is US based. So this will result in a more diverse domain landscape and a competitive adv…

Really depends on how it plays out. My guess is that there will be some favoratism and de-facto lenience towards large companies, because no agency will want to be the one who seized google.com and ruined everyone's day. The downside is that just opens up a large new avenue for corruption and, even when not outright corruption, selective enforcement of laws.

Sounds like a real threat to the valley, could this kill the internet startup culture?

I tinker with the idea to get there, but i am really concerned now with all these developments.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by JonnieCache » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 2:03 PM UTC

orangecat wrote: post #6

Ugh. One thing I oddly haven't seen mentioned at all: if it passes, will Obama sign it? I disagree with him on many things, but he's not stupid, and given his support base there have to be some geeks close to him that can explain how awful it is. Of course, his support base also includes Hollywood...

He is not stupid, but he is unfortunately very right-wing.

Like someone else said, the internet is going to be weird without all you americans around. Good luck.

Also, I do detect a bit of the old "first they came for the..." dynamic going on here. Why wait until now to kick up such a fuss? This nonsense is utterly trivial when held next to the mistakes and crimes of your leaders over even the last 5 years, let alone the last 10, 20 or 50 years.

Aren't you guys currently passing a law authorising the indefinite detention and torture without trial of your own citizens? They're probably loving the fact that they've got you all distracted with the possibility that tumblr might go away.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by _Y_ » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 2:59 PM UTC

JonnieCache wrote: post #32

orangecat wrote: post #6

Ugh. One thing I oddly haven't seen mentioned at all: if it passes, will Obama sign it? I disagree with him on many things, but he's not stupid, and given his support base there have to be some geeks close to him that can explain how awful it is. Of course, his support base also includes Hollywood...

He is not stupid, but he is unfortunately very right-wing. Like someone else said, the internet is going to be weird without all you americans around. Good luck. Also, I do detect a bit of the old "first they came for the..." dynamic going on here. Why wait until now to kick up such a fuss? This nonsense is utterly trivial when held next to the mistakes and crimes of your leaders over even the last 5 years, let alone…

I doubt it will be that drastic. I'd really like to see how this plays out. I get the feeling like the Zenith of USA has passed but overall I could just be that my info sources are libertian/biased.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by delinka » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 3:04 PM UTC

willyt wrote: post #26

Here's an idea, might be ridiculous: Can you file court papers electronically in the US? What if say youtube, wikipedia, etc had a fully automated SOPA compliance system which automatically filed court papers to have the take down notice 'reviewed' however that works thereby overloading the system. There must be some way to reflect the work back at them and DoS a manual process somewhere in the legal machinery. 'OK w…

Court oversight? In SOPA? Not AFAIK and that's why everyone is so pissed about this.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by tatsuke95 » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 3:05 PM UTC

What else can be expected from a bunch of old people who hardly understand the internet? When the internet to you is a search engine, Facebook and typing URLs into the IE6 address bar, I'm sure SOPA seems mostly harmless.

Let them plow it through committee and play their games. These are tumultuous times. People, globally, are unimpressed with leadership. This is being watched carefully by the public. Hopefully it will be a watershed event.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by a-priori » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 3:06 PM UTC

tatsuke95 wrote: post #35

What else can be expected from a bunch of old people who hardly understand the internet? When the internet to you is a search engine, Facebook and typing URLs into the IE6 address bar, I'm sure SOPA seems mostly harmless. Let them plow it through committee and play their games. These are tumultuous times. People, globally, are unimpressed with leadership. This is being watched carefully by the public. Hopefully it wi…

When the internet to you is a search engine, Facebook and typing URLs into the IE6 address bar, I'm sure SOPA seems mostly harmless.

The problem is that describes a large segment of the general population as well.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 3:08 PM UTC

_Y_ wrote: post #33

JonnieCache wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not stupid, but he is unfortunately very right-wing. Like someone else said, the internet is going to be weird without all you americans around. Good luck. Also, I do detect a bit of the old "first they came for the..." dynamic going on here. Why wait until now to kick up such a fuss? This nonsense is utterly trivial when held next to the mistakes and crimes of your leaders over even the last 5 years, let alone…

I doubt it will be that drastic. I'd really like to see how this plays out. I get the feeling like the Zenith of USA has passed but overall I could just be that my info sources are libertian/biased.

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Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by albertsun » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 3:26 PM UTC

There is exactly one bit of news in this story.

"The panel later scheduled a vote for Wednesday, December 21."

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by pasbesoin » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 3:53 PM UTC

orangecat wrote: post #6

Ugh. One thing I oddly haven't seen mentioned at all: if it passes, will Obama sign it? I disagree with him on many things, but he's not stupid, and given his support base there have to be some geeks close to him that can explain how awful it is. Of course, his support base also includes Hollywood...

Have a look at what Joe Biden's been up to.

(I.e. He'll sign it. Biden's been the Administration's poster boy on this topic.)

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by thebigshane » Sat, Dec 17, 2011, 4:12 PM UTC

albertsun wrote: post #38

There is exactly one bit of news in this story. "The panel later scheduled a vote for Wednesday, December 21."

Can someone elaborate on the addition to the title:

   ... with no one to stop it

I understand it's close to Christmas but is it really that unusual to have hearings in late December? Are they really going to have a better showing of proponents vs opponents with this new date?

Otherwise can we tone down the added sensationalism to an already emotional topic? (Unless, of course, this is indeed an important point to make, and then I request some one elaborate)