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Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by steve-howard »

redthrowaway wrote: post #10
alexqgb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama doesn't give a flying fig about his support base. Sorry to be so blunt, but that bastard just threatened to veto the NDAA unless the provisions allowing indefinite dentition of Americans without charge or trial were put pack in. His base is screaming bloody murder, and the White House remains utterly unmoved. Added irony: the Senate passed this abomination on Bill of Rights Day, precisely 220 years after the (n…

He's counting on the Republicans selecting someone crazy enough to bring out his disenfranchised base, and it might just happen. Still, Newt will quickly calm down after the primaries. He is many things, few of them good, but an idiot is not one of them. He won't say anything too crazy and risk scaring up support for Obama. This election could go either way, and quite frankly I don't give a damn. I tried the Hope thi…

I sincerely hope Newt doesn't come anywhere close to being our president. He's set a new bar for hypocrisy.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by ck2 »

There must be serious money to be made - or rather already made for the representatives plowing this through - there is simply no other explanation. Money is definitely deep in pockets.

Looking at the "donation" list it's to both sides of the aisle and HUGE amounts, these aren't little $10k donations but $100k and even $1M

I am starting to understand the fall of Rome a little better.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by ck2 »

orangecat wrote: post #6

Ugh. One thing I oddly haven't seen mentioned at all: if it passes, will Obama sign it? I disagree with him on many things, but he's not stupid, and given his support base there have to be some geeks close to him that can explain how awful it is. Of course, his support base also includes Hollywood...

Obama likes to be the "stern and discipline" "law & order father figure" which is what sucks in some of the independents that are more right leaning. As a progressive I could not be more disappointed in him for so many reasons. The left keeps going back to him like the abusive partner (oh he only hit me because it was my fault really).

He's going to sign this regardless of the consequences.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by nextparadigms »

rorrr wrote: post #9
orangecat wrote: post #6

Ugh. One thing I oddly haven't seen mentioned at all: if it passes, will Obama sign it? I disagree with him on many things, but he's not stupid, and given his support base there have to be some geeks close to him that can explain how awful it is. Of course, his support base also includes Hollywood...

Obama sold out a long time ago. Look at his pre-election videos and compare to what he's doing. He's not much better than Bush. I had such hopes for him, but he turned out to be just another politician, just more intelligent than the previous president.

I'd say that besides the fact that he actually brought the troops home from Iraq (sort of), he's worse than Bush. He's been asking for totalitarian powers that even Bush didn't have, and pretty much everything he promised in the campaign he did the opposite when he got in White House.

As for the Iraq part, well if he starts a war with Iran already, he's really not better than Bush at all. Check out how they want to collapse the Central Bank of Iran in 60-180 days, and also a bit of history between Iran and USA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy3KDYE5KQE&feature=youtu...

Also, even Bush thought bombing Iran would create blowback (which is exactly what Ron Paul has been saying all along):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/25/iran.israelandth...

Also, Bush's foreign policy before he got elected was almost identical to that of Ron Paul, of non-interventionism and not being the world police:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by teresko »

Someone in CBS News site's comments pointed out an interesting thing: there were already two bill like that.

"Communications Decency Act" and "Child Online Protection Act", which both were tossed out by Supreme Court.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by exDM69 »

r00fus wrote: post #3

So the delay is just to put it under the radar while everyone is off on Holiday break? Devious.

This is a classic dirty trick in politics. Organize an unpopular vote when a lot of the voters have left for xmas holidays. Just make sure there's a majority left when the vote is on. As an example: the federal reserve act was established in the same way on the days before xmas when a lot of the opposition had already left for holidays.

Since it's holiday season, the news will be a lot quieter than usual and the public can be left in the dark.

Re: SOPA vote is now December 21

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Post by OstiaAntica »

ck2 wrote: post #12

There must be serious money to be made - or rather already made for the representatives plowing this through - there is simply no other explanation. Money is definitely deep in pockets. Looking at the "donation" list it's to both sides of the aisle and HUGE amounts, these aren't little $10k donations but $100k and even $1M I am starting to understand the fall of Rome a little better.

This is known as "concentrated benefits, dispersed costs", and it explains much of modern politics. A focused, motivated special-interest can reaps millions from some policy change (usually a tax loophole), but the costs spread across the general public are quite small, so there's no similar force in opposition.
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