I diagnosed when I was like... 8 years old. From then to 17 I was on various meds, finally gave them all up. So for about 22 years I've coped with ADHD without meds. I am a Staff Engineer and make a good living, respected in my field. Regardless of anything else, I think the key thing to remember about ADHD is that you do not need to be a high-performing human being, at all, in life. You will forget things and get di…
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#282I diagnosed when I was like... 8 years old. From then to 17 I was on various meds, finally gave them all up. So for about 22 years I've coped with ADHD without meds. I am a Staff Engineer and make a good living, respected in my field. Regardless of anything else, I think the key thing to remember about ADHD is that you do not need to be a high-performing human being, at all, in life. You will forget things and get di…
I was diagnosed when I was six, and, like you, I dropped all meds at 17. Recently (as in, this year) through a combination of therapy and introspection, I realized that while indeed I was able to have a successful life, career, relationships without the medication, and that, yes, my coping mechanisms were satisfactory, I was punching myself in the face for no reason Last month I saw a psychiatrist and got a prescript…
I quit my meds when I was about 16/17 failed out of my last year of highschool, went on to become a construction foreman for huge projects managing crews of 30-40.
During a layoff in 2009 because there was no construction, I installed linux on a laptop because I borked my OS and didn't have a key. Ended up getting a job as an ISP call center tech at a small ISP/hosting company a few months later, taught myself systems and networking administration and was running the whole place a few years later including the BGP peering, system automation, monitoring, and building.
I went to work for a FANNG for a decade, Built some cool shit, have a few patents.
When the pandemic hit, I really stopped for the first time and looked at what being able to perform at a high level was costing me and my family.
1. I was drinking too much, a small buzz would slow my mind down and let me focus on a single thing, It kinda works but at what cost?
2. I always knew what I needed to do, I understood how to build what I needed to build but there would be times, whole weeks, when I'd be unable to bring myself to read the docs I needed too or do what ever I needed to do, that would make me uneasy and lead to a lot of self-loathing. Not a great person for my family to be around during those times.
3. Always feeling like I needed to work but never working, so everything was an inconvenience because I should be getting something done at work but I wasn't, then things like dinner with my family felt like it might be taking away from some work I wasn't going to do anyways.
4. The lightning would strike, I'd find a deadline or whatever and I'd work, almost unbroken for days straight, online before my kids got up, get them to school, work, pick them up and make dinner/put to bed, work through the night or late into the night.
5. I'd build the thing I needed to and then I'd crash and be tired, and then I'd have a day or two to be the father and partner and person I wanted to be, but there's always the nagging feeling that next time, I'll be too late or won't pull it off . . ..
I spent 2 years in therapy (starting before the pandemic) addressing the symptoms and working on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy techniques to address a chemical imbalance in my brain. Working on being kind to myself, working on stress management, working on time management.
Part way into the pandemic, I ended up quitting, realizing I just needed a break and I was working so much harder than any of my peers for a similar or worse output. Them mental overhead of keeping up was excessive.
Eventually, I went back and got properly medicated. It was like a switch flipped. It took me a month or so, to get into it, but I found myself feeling like I could stop and be available for my kids whenever, because I started to realize, I could just turn my focus on and off whenever I wanted and I didn't have to wait for lightning to strike.
The thing that's most beneficial is a bit unseen, I'm not carrying a burden of self-loathing, fear, anxiety on my back, all stressors that were a result of my inability to entirely control my focus and do the thing that I wanted to do when I wanted to. That invisible weight that I carried everywhere vanished.
I've seen a marked improvement in my life over the last year or so. I'm a better father, partner, employee. I like myself for the first time in decades.
This is long winded, but I wanted to put this out there because there are a lot of us in tech. having ADHD is actually a great way to get into tech, we find something we don't understand or a blocker and dig deep. I was just trying to find a way around a license key and ended up learning internet routing . . .. I have a very broad skill set because I'll dig deep on anything that walks by. I see many like myself. But if you find yourself in a cycle like this, go get help. Life doesn't have to be that hard.
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#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
One interesting point about stimulant meds: they also help people who don't have the ADHD diagnosis. The black market for stimulants is pretty sizeable, not to mention the legit market for things like coffee.
I've tried my GF's meds once to see what it was (and using medication is one of the diagnosis tools they use); I found myself focusing and intetionally task switching for about two hours (that and palpitations), but I wouldn't say they "help"ed me. If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. It shouldn't be a rat race.
Would you say the same thing to someone with a physical handicap? I.e., "If you feel like you need a wheelchair to get around, you need to reconsider going outside the house"
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, not saying you'd say something like that, but consider it from the medical perspective. Someone shouldn't have to struggle with a handicap just because it's mental instead of physical.
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#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
One interesting point about stimulant meds: they also help people who don't have the ADHD diagnosis. The black market for stimulants is pretty sizeable, not to mention the legit market for things like coffee.
I've tried my GF's meds once to see what it was (and using medication is one of the diagnosis tools they use); I found myself focusing and intetionally task switching for about two hours (that and palpitations), but I wouldn't say they "help"ed me. If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. It shouldn't be a rat race.
Medication is a useful diagnosis tool, because the effects when it helps can be utterly profound. For me it was like I’d fully woken up for the first time in my life. My body physically calmed down, and I went from spending the majority of my idle time daydreaming to being calm and present in the world.
Please don’t take other peoples pills though, they’re tightly controlled usually with no buffer. If you take someones pill, that means they’ll have to reduce or skip a day. Imagine stealing someones reading glasses for a day—they’re gonna have to persist and deal with the possible migraine/eye pain.
> I found myself focusing and intetionally task switching for about two hours (that and palpitations), but I wouldn't say they "help"ed me.
You don’t need them. What you experienced is not what your GF experiences.
If you put on someone else’s prescription glasses, would you complain that they didn’t help you?
> It shouldn't be a rat race.
Everyone I know on stimulants for ADHD (myself included) would agree that the stimulants help them escape feeling they’re in a rat race.
A trait of ADHD is know precisely what needs to be done, and being incapable of making it happen. Medication helps with that. It’s not a cure. It doesn’t fix everything. It just makes some things easier.
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I've never been diagnosed, but around two weeks ago some random soul on Reddit spotted some symptoms that might be signs of ADHD, or at least things that ADHD meds could help. I was provided this article: https://invisibleup.com/articles/27/ It is such an accurate description of something I've been struggling with my whole life without ever knowing it. I'm now waiting the weeks and weeks it takes to get a doctor's ap…
oh man, i'm in my 30s and this is exactly how my daily life is. I grew up in a culture that didn't have much of an inclination of understanding what ADHD is and stuff, so I never bothered. I really need to get myself checked.
I shared before on HN that I'm still ongoing investigation with my therapist, after some 2-3 years of therapy and working around some anxiety issues I had we're narrowing it down to a very likely ADHD diagnosis.
The more I read and educate myself about it the more I believe I might have it. It's still hard for me to properly accept that this might be it, and not that I have an inherent failure of character by never being able to keep my focus, motivation, planning, etc. as well as what others can.
To be very honest, something inside me still don't want to believe that I very likely have ADHD, that part still shames me by telling that I'm just using this as a crutch for my failures, that it's just a convenient excuse for not being good enough at some mundane tasks.
It's exhausting, I'm glad I'm finally getting help because for the past 3-4 years I have been on a steadily downwards spiral. It's been very gradual until I got to this point where I can definitely tell I'm suffering mentally because of it...
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#286I diagnosed when I was like... 8 years old. From then to 17 I was on various meds, finally gave them all up. So for about 22 years I've coped with ADHD without meds. I am a Staff Engineer and make a good living, respected in my field. Regardless of anything else, I think the key thing to remember about ADHD is that you do not need to be a high-performing human being, at all, in life. You will forget things and get di…
I think this is a nice sentiment, but how did you get there? Truly, I'm desperate for the answer. Problem is, even if you're perfectly comfortable with your own limitations, and being transparent about them, graduating up through the ranks as a software dev IC or w/e means meeting or managing the expectations that higher ups unempathetically and unilaterally apply. You have to get pretty (extremely) lucky with having…
The way I got there is: My goals were not very high. I made a crapton of personal projects and taught myself an insane amount by 19/20 so that I actually knew a good deal more technically and practically than some intermediate positions. I was overconfident and good at seeming very talented. I took jobs that didn't require a ton of technical or incredibly hard interviews. And I coasted for about the first 10 years. The next 10 I overworked myself because I thought I needed to, because I didn't want to do the job anymore and figured if I just did it better than anyone else I'd feel better about it. And finally I took jobs where I was literally making the world and people better.
The whole time, I gave myself crap for not getting enough done, and much of the time felt bad for "wasting" my time. Now I realize that I have a ton of life left still and no particular goals in mind, so who cares if it's a waste as long as I can enjoy the waste? And I do (mostly) enjoy my job and my free time now. Sure I don't own a home and the things I want deem farther off than for many others. Same is true for many other people, and that's fine. Whatever happens is just life and it's OK. Just sucks that it took me so long to realize that who I am is fine and doesn't need fixing.
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Saying somebody is creative because of their ADHD is like saying a person is charming because of their glasses. These things do not need to be related, they are charming and they happen to wear glasses. They are creative and happen to have ADHD. Do not ascribe talents people have to their disabilities. Besides, it's just a stereotype and doesn't hold for everyone with ADHD.
I could imagine someone who looked so much better while wearing glasses that "they're charming because of their glasses" is true. Anyway, it seems much more likely that there would be a causative link between ADHD and creativity- e.g. some common underlying factor that boosts the explore tendency in explore/exploit along with openness to experience. A brain that naturally roams more could be expected to produce more…
Anyway, ADHD is comorbid with plenty of other disorders that are limiting on creativity such as anxiety, low self esteem, inhibited decision making, that it’s definitely not a given.
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You are not deficient in stimulants. So using them is not the answer. Instead, look to nutrition. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24321736/
That is an interesting paper, as is the co-morbidity of ADHD with epilepsy that they cite. It's also hopeful for some people suffering from ADHD because it is suggestive of the possibility of a more complete treatment for some. However there's a general understanding of ADHD (and related disorders such as ASD) as a spectrum of conditions with multiple contributing factors. Depending on the person ADHD will manifest w…
Just try taking high dose P5P.
And probably zinc:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-94124-5
If you knew the metabolic pathways thus would be as clear as day. We need enzymes to make neurotransmitter and those enzymes need cofactors to work.
These are the cofactors.
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Seriously. There are "doctors" offices in NYC that operate in 5 minute appointment intervals. The entire waiting room is full of white collar professionals or college students with this terrible disease, ADHD. Anyone who wants it can get it, you just gotta find a pill mill. You self diagnose by saying "I can't concentrate" or "I get distracted" and the shrink writes you a legal script for speed. Some places may have…
ADHD is real, it deeply damages people's lives and it is usually treatable with stimulants, with an unusual degree of effectiveness. My psychiatrist told me up front that his diagnostic process was not directed towards ADHD and that he might end up with some other diagnosis or none at all. In the end he diagnosed me with ADHD after a process of interviews, tests, evaluation of historical evidence, and submissions by…
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(sorry, I feel I'm taking over this post, lol, but f it) my coping strategies have been: 1) carve out some time to do distractionless work. check calendar, put up away message, close email, turn on background music (cafe jazz, Bob Ross, or intelligent d&b) w/headphones, write down a small task to complete on sticky note next to monitor, set timer (maybe multiple). 2) have a routine. weekday: work 9-5, gym, cook, misc…
Thank you for the comment. It's good to hear from someone who has been able to cope without the use of medication. The most advice I've been able to find online is really buy XYZ drug OR buy ABC app. I've been trying to stay away from these sort of things.
I've also abandoned social media due to doom scrolling. Still use HN way too much but whatever we all have our vices.