Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR • Hacker News Board

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by simiones » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:05 PM UTC

thombat wrote: post #64

simiones wrote: post #47

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Apps minimizing to systray when their main window is closed have existed since at least Windows 95/98. Yahoo! Messenger and probably AOL did the same thing 25 years ago.

Minimising to the stray isn't so much the problem as remaining connected to the voice chat. Skype in this circumstance doesn't fully minimise but still has a little foreground window making it obvious that you're still on the call.

Yes, that much I agree with - having an ongoing voice call with no active window is definitely not normal behavior. Even playing audio with no visible window is strange, but recording is even stranger.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by simiones » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:06 PM UTC

phepranto wrote: post #78

simiones wrote: post #40

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Nope, Alt+F4 is the close window shortcut. This is even visible in the OS-controller Window Menu - hit Alt+Spacebar in any window of any app, and you'll see the Window menu appear, which will include an option for Close (the current window), showing that the shortcut for it is Alt+F4. This is even true for modal dialogs (if they are real Windows modal dialogs).

Weirdly enough, Alt+Spacebar, then clicking close only closes the window (minimizing to the tray), but just hitting Alt+F4 kills the process.

You mean for Discord I assume? That is strange indeed - though of course Windows has always allowed apps to modify any kind of behavior they want (for better and for worse).

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by pimterry » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:06 PM UTC

izzydata wrote: post #107

theCrowing wrote: post #89

Sorry but the points are totally valid. If you delete your account your messages are still available with a userid that if someone has it can be traced back to you. They also don't delete files or pictures you uploaded alone for this they should get fined.

Not only should they get fined. They should also fix the problem.

Yep, that's typically how this works - there's a small immediate fine for the current issues, but there'll be rapidly increasing fines in future if the issues continue beyond a reasonable timeframe to get this fixed.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:06 PM UTC

morjom wrote: post #80

hombre_fatal wrote: post #63

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"X" hasn't meant end the process for over 20 years. In 2022, it could very well be the better choice for most users to not end a voice call just because they clicked the "X" to get rid of the window. Just like what Skype, other Voip services, and most chat services have done forever. This ruling is a bit disappointing.

That's most of my life and I've always associated X with end process. Maybe I'm the odd one out.

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Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by tyfon » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:06 PM UTC

knaekhoved wrote: post #71

tyfon wrote: post #39

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They accept money from EU customers so, yes

If I accept money from a Chinese guy, that doesn't make me subject to Chinese law.

If you set up a company that accepts money from Chinese citizens and let them do stuff online I am pretty sure your company will be subject to Chinese law, yes.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by BurningPenguin » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:06 PM UTC

knaekhoved wrote: post #71

tyfon wrote: post #39

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They accept money from EU customers so, yes

If I accept money from a Chinese guy, that doesn't make me subject to Chinese law.

If you are a business, that does business in some other country, you also have to comply to their local laws. Even if you don't have a presence there.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by lzooz » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:06 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #117

theCrowing wrote: post #89

Sorry but the points are totally valid. If you delete your account your messages are still available with a userid that if someone has it can be traced back to you. They also don't delete files or pictures you uploaded alone for this they should get fined.

But it’s a chat application, those messages aren’t owned by just the user that authored them. Even if a user deletes their account I should be able to go back in my chat history and find their messages and know it was them. It would be stupid if someone closing their cellular account would somehow reach into my phone and delete their contact, their messages, and replace their phone number with all zeros and this is s…

I agree with you in principle and I think that the EU is basically extorting American companies, but in your example all that information is stored in your phone, while in this case the information is stored in Discord's servers.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by FamosoRandom » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:07 PM UTC

can16358p wrote: post #87

knaekhoved wrote: post #55

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The point of GDPR is to defend the user.

Tech companies aren't your friends, they only want your money. What baffles me is people being outraged by this fine like they needed to pay that, not a billion dollar tech company.

It is justified because what Discord didn't implement can harm the user. it can harm YOU.

People easily forget that Internet is for everyone. Even for people that didn't grew with a computer, even for people that are not developer.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by simiones » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:07 PM UTC

rtpg wrote: post #76

simiones wrote: post #62

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Importantly, Teams will leave a meeting if you exit the Meeting window. Keeping the meeting going in the background is honestly pretty crazy.

I think in the Discord model it makes more sense because it's based off of how online gamers flow (basically open a voice chat and stay on there for hours on end).

It's still outside the norm on Windows I would say, even though I understand why they did it.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by judge2020 » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:07 PM UTC

theCrowing wrote: post #89

Sorry but the points are totally valid. If you delete your account your messages are still available with a userid that if someone has it can be traced back to you. They also don't delete files or pictures you uploaded alone for this they should get fined.

I think they ended up fixing this, all the deleted users I can find resolve to UID 456226577798135808.

Although, messages that used to @mention the user don't have their UID mangled (since @mentions are really ``), so it'd be easy to correlate someone @pinging a deleted user and that deleted user responding to the ping. Seems like fixing this would be pretty challenging (logistically and computationally) given you'd have to arbitrarily edit other peoples' messages.