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Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Does Discord even have a corporate presence in the EU? For the French government to be fining companies because they happen to dislike the UI is such a random and unpredictable decision that it seems like a strong signal for US firms to not set up offices in the EU at all.

They accept money from EU customers so, yes

If I accept money from a Chinese guy, that doesn't make me subject to Chinese law.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

I like the CMD+Q Chrome implementation on macOS and would like to see it everywhere, essentially acts as a confirmation since it will quit if you press again or your do a long press. See, Apple put @ on Q on some languages[0] and you are required to press OPTION+Q to type @ and quite often you end up closing the app when you are trying to type an e-mail address. It's particularly annoying in browsers when you acciden…

The @ on Q is a keyboard layout standard adopted my some languages. At least it's not Apple's design decision.

I'm Icelandic and a programmer. I work with US Ansi layout keyboards. Working with Icelandic ISO layout is horrible when programming. All the "programming" keys are strewn all over the keyboard and hidden under the option layer. I think they did this to make space for the special letters in the Icelandic language. On the other hand in the US Ansi layout the "programming" keys are close to the home row.

Couple of examples, but you can find more if you want to: {} is easily accessible on the US Ansi, but Icelandic ISO it's under option+7 and option+0. ; is right under your pinky on the home row on the US Ansi, but shift+, on the Icelandic ISO layout.

The @ is also on Q on the Icelandic keyboards. Which is absolutely insane, because quitting applications in macOS you do cmd+Q and on windows I think it is ctrl+Q. On windows you have to do alt-gr+Q to get the @ symbol. But on macOS you can do both option+Q or option+2. I use the option+2. I'm not pressing that Q with a modifier combo, unless I intend on quitting something.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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post #68

I'm an EU citizen and support the GDPR. But it's only a question of time before the US will interpet these fines as an undeclared trade war and make up the legal framework to do retaliatory strikes against EU tech companies. Borders and tariffs will be the long-term future of the Internet.

Good. More borders and tariffs (AND TAXATION, let me add) are definitely needed. Internet should contribute to a greater good, not enable transnational companies, tax evasion and data thief.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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post #38

So if I’m an American company and have no offices in Europe and ignore GDPR for my free customers, what happens? Will I get arrested by the Polizei when I land in Berlin? Will the US force me to pay these fines?

Basically, if you do business in the EU (have customers there) then you'll be held accountable.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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post #3

> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

It's hard to blame apple or blame microsoft for simply having a different convention, which they've long had, I remember struggling to use an iMac back in the day because nothing ever quit when I wanted it to, but I accept that their model is different. In Windows it's convention for the top right X to be "Quit Application" and equivalent to alt+f4. It can be useful to have X close to system tray, in which case they…

The convention on Windows has always been that Alt+F4 or the X button (or the Close action in the Window Menu) will close the currently focused window (this even works for dialog boxes in Win32 apps!). There is also a softer convention that apps exit when their main/last window is closed, but this has never been a strong convention, and Chat apps in particular have been exiting/minimizing to systray when their windows are closed for decades at this point.

However, keeping an active voice session open with no window open is definitely outside the norm - most apps with audio chat that I know have to audio chat strictly tied to a window.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

Importantly, Teams will leave a meeting if you exit the Meeting window. Keeping the meeting going in the background is honestly pretty crazy.

I think in the Discord model it makes more sense because it's based off of how online gamers flow (basically open a voice chat and stay on there for hours on end).

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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post #36

Does Discord even have a corporate presence in the EU? For the French government to be fining companies because they happen to dislike the UI is such a random and unpredictable decision that it seems like a strong signal for US firms to not set up offices in the EU at all.

GDPR applies to all companies that provide services to EU residents.

The EU can certainly claim any absurd jurisdiction they like, but how are they planning to enforce this? Ultimately it seems the primary thing they can do is censor Discord from EU internet.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Alt+F4 kills the process.

Nope, Alt+F4 is the close window shortcut. This is even visible in the OS-controller Window Menu - hit Alt+Spacebar in any window of any app, and you'll see the Window menu appear, which will include an option for Close (the current window), showing that the shortcut for it is Alt+F4. This is even true for modal dialogs (if they are real Windows modal dialogs).

Weirdly enough, Alt+Spacebar, then clicking close only closes the window (minimizing to the tray), but just hitting Alt+F4 kills the process.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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post #38

So if I’m an American company and have no offices in Europe and ignore GDPR for my free customers, what happens? Will I get arrested by the Polizei when I land in Berlin? Will the US force me to pay these fines?

I think, de facto, nothing will happen. But if you start to evade taxes on your foreigner paying costumers, and you avoid local regulations, then you expose yourself to a risk.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this UI design? Wouldn't this fall under UX or just basic functionality? I press X, program close. If I want it minimized I press the minimize button.

"X" hasn't meant end the process for over 20 years. In 2022, it could very well be the better choice for most users to not end a voice call just because they clicked the "X" to get rid of the window. Just like what Skype, other Voip services, and most chat services have done forever. This ruling is a bit disappointing.

That's most of my life and I've always associated X with end process. Maybe I'm the odd one out.
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