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Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by can16358p »

heisenbit wrote: post #44
can16358p wrote: post #19

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With all due respect 800.000 is a moderate amount looking at some awards in the consumer space in the US considering that we are looking here at a situation where eavesdropping on other people in the privacy of their homes is involved.

They could simply warn the company if they thought that would really be a problem. Fining 800k is ridiculous. If they can do this, they can attack anyone with a similar reasoning, which effectively turns GDPR into a weapon.

Yeah, 800k might not be much, but the ideology is the problem here, not the amount.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by CodesInChaos »

morjom wrote: post #30
bovermyer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not fond of regulatory agencies defining what constitutes an acceptable password policy. Also, regulatory agencies mandating UI designs - while in this case fairly innocuous - leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

How is this UI design? Wouldn't this fall under UX or just basic functionality? I press X, program close. If I want it minimized I press the minimize button.

How discord works is the expected behaviour for many users, including myself. I do not want to minimize the window (keeping it in the task bar), I want to close the window, while keeping the background worker running.

My experience with applications that show a notification/tray icon is that about 80% of them do not shut down when closing the main window. And the ones that don't follow this pattern by default can usually be configured to work this way.

Microsoft has applications which follow the same pattern. For example the Anti-Virus runs in the background and indicates it status via notification/tray icon. Opening or closing the settings window has no effect on its operation.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by morjom »

origin_path wrote: post #26

Does Discord even have a corporate presence in the EU? For the French government to be fining companies because they happen to dislike the UI is such a random and unpredictable decision that it seems like a strong signal for US firms to not set up offices in the EU at all.

They seem to have some kind of presence in The Netherlands, if their job postings are anything to go by.

Also

How is this UI design? Wouldn't this fall under UX or just basic functionality? I press X, program close. If I want it minimized I press the minimize button.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by knaekhoved »

can16358p wrote: post #20
Hikikomori wrote: post #13

Seems insane, many apps keeps running with an icon visible in the notification area when exited like that. Discords icon also shows if you are in a voice channel.

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Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by tl »

mrtksn wrote: post #14
tl wrote: post #3

> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

I like the CMD+Q Chrome implementation on macOS and would like to see it everywhere, essentially acts as a confirmation since it will quit if you press again or your do a long press. See, Apple put @ on Q on some languages[0] and you are required to press OPTION+Q to type @ and quite often you end up closing the app when you are trying to type an e-mail address. It's particularly annoying in browsers when you acciden…

That is a regretable choice on Apple's part. First, on the US layout as least, there's a series of standard overrides dating back decades. OPT+Q is the rarely used œ (@ is SHIFT+2 on most US layouts), but some are helpful like ® (R), π (P), etc... Second, some apps bind OPT+KEY to commands!

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by simion314 »

can16358p wrote: post #19

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>if I made a hello world program in C, they'd find a clever way of fining me

Last time I check Hello World do not contain any internet connection code, let me know an example of C hello world that grabs your microphone input then sends it over the internet. Probably would be a single Linux command line job.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by lzooz »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #37
Hikikomori wrote: post #13

Seems insane, many apps keeps running with an icon visible in the notification area when exited like that. Discords icon also shows if you are in a voice channel.

Discord did not get this fine for this one point, but for the sum of all issues.

Yeah, but the fact that they got money from them for this "issue" is laughable.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by femboy »

wincy wrote: post #38

So if I’m an American company and have no offices in Europe and ignore GDPR for my free customers, what happens? Will I get arrested by the Polizei when I land in Berlin? Will the US force me to pay these fines?

Yes, the European Commission will collaborate with international governments to impose fines.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by FamosoRandom »

origin_path wrote: post #26

Does Discord even have a corporate presence in the EU? For the French government to be fining companies because they happen to dislike the UI is such a random and unpredictable decision that it seems like a strong signal for US firms to not set up offices in the EU at all.

it's not so simple as "disliking the UI", it's about the UI/UX being clear enough that the user understand what he is doing in order to not be harmed by it in any way (disclosing personnal information for instance).

Simply imagine that the user thought that, by clicking the "X" button, he closed the app and got off the vocal channel so that now nobody can hear him. Now a close relative ask him some other personnal info that he don't want to share (Health info, credit card etc..), and other people in the vocal channel hear it. Well, the user has been harmed.

So yeah, not about "disliking the UI" but about protecting you, the user

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