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Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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I know this won't be a popular take on HN, but while I can understand and to a certain extent sympathize with pirating movies (the intentional friction and arbitrary geographic limitations on access imposed by the multinational movie-industry conglomerates), I can't see stealing some poor author's work in the same light. Sure, people get hung-up about DRM (which can easily be removed by widely-accessible tools), but…

> but e-books can be purchased pretty much anywhere in the world. I'm in Sweden Sorry, but by "pretty much anywhere in the world" you clearly mean "first world". If you live outside of US/Canada and EU it is much harder to obtain books legally. Publishing agreements usually cover specific countries, and no-one cares about, for example, selling books in English in Central Asia. So even if you have means to pay for the…

> allowed Steam to overtake piracy

Let's not forget the pricing, as well. Older games are actually priced lower than most books and movies, which are still being artificially inflated by their respective distributors.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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> I would rather the justice department, and labor dept choose their targets for non-political reasons You want the justice department, a branch of the goverment, to not be political?

Yes. That should not be a shock, there are lots (in fact most) of government that is not suppose to be political, specifically when it comes to the enforcement of law. The entire premise, the entire legitimacy of the legal system is the blind scales of justice. It seems you want it to be political, that is would be a nation of despotism, oligarchs, and tyranny

> that is not suppose to be political

their execution shouldn't but their priortiies are entirely political mandates.

When people felt unsafe in the 90s and the DoJ increased minimum sentencing was that not a political incentive?

Protecting business over people, as it currently stands in their priority list, is a political decision.

Changing the status quo is not "political" and remaining as is isn't. Their current directives are poltiical assignments, and rerouting resources in a more worthy endevour is the same.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#94

I know this won't be a popular take on HN, but while I can understand and to a certain extent sympathize with pirating movies (the intentional friction and arbitrary geographic limitations on access imposed by the multinational movie-industry conglomerates), I can't see stealing some poor author's work in the same light. Sure, people get hung-up about DRM (which can easily be removed by widely-accessible tools), but…

If I can access a book for free at a library.

Why can't I read it online for free?

Ultimately the answer will be about rights and really suggesting the author can put arbitrary restrictions in content that's been purchased.

Those restrictions exist for financial reasons not moral. As such this is not theft in any ethical sense but a quirk of the laws. A law apparently many people disagree with...

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Argentina on the first glance would look “safe” to me, as South American nations seem in general not very pro-US. Live and learn, I guess. TIL that all South American countries have these extradition agreements. I feel bad for the arrested; even if their values were not pristine. Punishments for these kind of “offences” seem extremely harsh to me, being grown in a copyright-unaware climate.

Where is "not very pro-america"?! Maybe not the actual government, but from saving in dollars to travelling we are very pro-american. If we divide the world in pro-america, pro-europe, pro-rusia, pro-china, for us is Europe and America, and very far away the other options. So, bad luck for this guy. Bro, Che Guevara died decades ago...

Yeah, I was describing a perspective of a russia-born person who never actually travelled to the western hemisphere and whose knowledge of South American countries are formed by ambient osmosis, not active research. I know that no South American country supports the recent russian invasion (and thank god for that), but I was under the (apparently wrong) impression that there were non-trivial factions opposing the US. Ambient propaganda got to me, I guess. Sorry.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. That should not be a shock, there are lots (in fact most) of government that is not suppose to be political, specifically when it comes to the enforcement of law. The entire premise, the entire legitimacy of the legal system is the blind scales of justice. It seems you want it to be political, that is would be a nation of despotism, oligarchs, and tyranny

> that is not suppose to be political their execution shouldn't but their priortiies are entirely political mandates. When people felt unsafe in the 90s and the DoJ increased minimum sentencing was that not a political incentive? Protecting business over people, as it currently stands in their priority list, is a political decision. Changing the status quo is not "political" and remaining as is isn't. Their current d…

>When people felt unsafe in the 90s and the DoJ increased minimum sentencing was that not a political incentive?

No that was a change in legalization, which legislation is political, but the 90's saw TONS of anti-crime laws passed which required the non-political arms of the government to act

that is how it is suppose to work, the people elect representative who pass laws, and then those laws are enforced by the non-political arm.

These entities have become political in the wake of over criminalization since now as a function they have to "choose" which laws to enforce and which not to because other wise nothing would get enforced as a matter of course.

The solution to this is not just acceptation that enforcement should be political, but instead removing the political choices from the non-political arms placing it back into the political space of the government (i.e the legislature) . One key way to do that for the Federal government is to return said federal government back to its constitutional bounds which today it FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR exceeds

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#97

I know this won't be a popular take on HN, but while I can understand and to a certain extent sympathize with pirating movies (the intentional friction and arbitrary geographic limitations on access imposed by the multinational movie-industry conglomerates), I can't see stealing some poor author's work in the same light. Sure, people get hung-up about DRM (which can easily be removed by widely-accessible tools), but…

It's human culture. The idea that it should be the sole provenance of rich multi-nationals to decide who can afford to read is disgusting. It should all be freely accessible. Removing money from the equation would also solve other quality issues.

It's 'disgusting' to suggest others should have to labour for you for free - and suggesting 'removing money from the issue would solve' issues is more than naive, it's glib.

IP is not 'corporate protectionism'.

The entire system absolutely depends on it, moreover, the vast majority of IP holders are very small entities.

Particularly in this case, authors.

The internet is actually a greatly liberating opportunity for authors, especially those on the 'long tail' to develop an audience that they would never have an opportunity to otherwise.

And of course - anyone who wants to create for free, as many do, can do that.

But if there's no concept of IP, then it implies 'creative work goes unpaid' and paradoxically, flushes surpluses into those that have much more material power in the value chain - a bit like 'open source' devs who work tirelessly on projects whereupon the surpluses are mostly captured by large corporate institutions.

Of course there's always grey areas, and on some level 'release valves' for information is appropriate, but on the whole, IP protections are reasonable.

Vast amount of the works we are used to in our daily lives both professional and private, upon which we depend, would immediately vanish, lacking any kind of viable business model.

Finally - there's much ado in Africa on so many fronts, if you want to help to solve IP distribution issues there related to price discrimination, there's a lot of opportunity there.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#98

I know this won't be a popular take on HN, but while I can understand and to a certain extent sympathize with pirating movies (the intentional friction and arbitrary geographic limitations on access imposed by the multinational movie-industry conglomerates), I can't see stealing some poor author's work in the same light. Sure, people get hung-up about DRM (which can easily be removed by widely-accessible tools), but…

A lot of the usage I see of these sites is in the academic world. Academic publishing is a nightmare (especially on the journal side). The books are often not available at all in the region you’re in or if they are, they might be priced differently. It’s especially difficult because you’re going to skim a book to see if it has any relevant material, then move on to the next one. Usually university libraries are the o…

>The books are often not available at all in the region you’re in or if they are, they might be priced differently.

Also, "the region you're in" can even mean the same country as the publisher, or even anywhere in the world. Publishers may be unwilling to sell the books to individuals at all, or may sell them only as part of larger sets with very high prices. They may only be willing to sell hardcover copies, for a premium, even if they do produce softcover ones. It's simply not feasible, in most cases, to purchase the books you need to do scholarly research as an individual. And if you're looking at digital publications, the situation becomes even worse.

I recently had someone tell me that their father, in the US, had been looking, not wanting to ask them, for a copy of a book they had just published a chapter in. The book could only be purchased by individuals as a set of six books, all in hardcover, for around $500.

Part of the problem here is that individuals are often not the target customers for academic publishing: libraries are. Publishers can be worried that if they do sell in ways that are convenient to individuals, that might reduce their profits from libraries. If they sell books individually, instead of as larger sets, then university libraries can order only the volumes that people request, rather than needing to purchase all of them. If they sell softcover copies, libraries can buy them and rebind them in-house, or simply have them as softcover, rather than needing to pay that premium. If they have prices that are reasonable for individuals choosing books to buy with their own money, the prices will need to be far lower than what they can be for libraries being instructed to buy books by others and needing to figure out how.

And, as you mention, the journal (and reference) side is even worse. Outside of very high profile journals, which are simply expensive for individual subscriptions, many otherwise quite reasonable journals from reputable publishers simply won't offer subscriptions to individuals at all: their only option for individuals may well be article-level purchases at prices that would be utterly absurd for actual research. In some cases, they also won't offer subscriptions to institutions, except as a (potentially very large) package of journals. At a small university, I can remember the library pointing out that getting access to one yearly proceedings publication very important for our field would cost a five figure yearly amount per year, because it was only sold as a package of hundreds of publications. Larger universities can have problems with this in the six or seven figures.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that is not suppose to be political their execution shouldn't but their priortiies are entirely political mandates. When people felt unsafe in the 90s and the DoJ increased minimum sentencing was that not a political incentive? Protecting business over people, as it currently stands in their priority list, is a political decision. Changing the status quo is not "political" and remaining as is isn't. Their current d…

>When people felt unsafe in the 90s and the DoJ increased minimum sentencing was that not a political incentive? No that was a change in legalization, which legislation is political, but the 90's saw TONS of anti-crime laws passed which required the non-political arms of the government to act that is how it is suppose to work, the people elect representative who pass laws, and then those laws are enforced by the non-…

> The solution to this is not just acceptation that enforcement should be criminal, but instead removing the political choices from the non-political arms placing it back into the political space of the government (i.e the legislature) .

The assumption that there are too many laws and "non political" arms need to pick and choose which ones to apply is true. But I would consider that just part of reality.

Economics is just the study of resource allocation, the goverment only has so many federal tax officers and they need to focus on something. If they focus on big accounts it doesn't make not paying VAT legal. It just less likely you get caught.

Laws existing as a framework to express the current priorities of the goverment (aka tax avoidance bad) is useful even without enough officers to enforce it 100%.

> One key way to do that for the Federal government is to return said federal government back to its constitutional bounds which today it FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR exceeds

The libertarian angle is cool and all, but the political voice of the people has consistently voted for bigger gov not smaller, so you want to apply your own politics to make things "non poltiical". Which is not very consistent

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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> I sincerely think they are doing charity By limiting downloads (artificial scarcity)? By charging for pirated works?

They charge for bandwidth, server cycles and rent.

So they don’t profit?
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