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Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

phpisthebest wrote: post #66
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #21

A small thought experiment: - Book sales in 2021 were about _9_ billion dollars. [0] - Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1] Can you imagine if the resources of the justice and labour departments would prioritize citizen wage over publishers' revenue? Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals completely outside US jurisdi…

>>Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals I would rather the justice department, and labor dept choose their targets for non-political reasons, neither for "social justice" nor corporate protectionism

> I would rather the justice department, and labor dept choose their targets for non-political reasons

You want the justice department, a branch of the goverment, to not be political?

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

christophilus wrote: post #48
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #21

A small thought experiment: - Book sales in 2021 were about _9_ billion dollars. [0] - Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1] Can you imagine if the resources of the justice and labour departments would prioritize citizen wage over publishers' revenue? Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals completely outside US jurisdi…

I agree with you, but it's always easier to go after a centralized target who is doing a thing at scale. Is there a wage-thief who's doing it at scale?

> Is there a wage-thief who's doing it at scale?

FAANG got caught having a wage cartel where poaching affected possible salaries between workers.

They got a measly 50 million dollar fine.

Wage theft pays off in america, and Amazon and Apple being trillion dollar companies proves it.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Post by dimva »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #21

A small thought experiment: - Book sales in 2021 were about _9_ billion dollars. [0] - Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1] Can you imagine if the resources of the justice and labour departments would prioritize citizen wage over publishers' revenue? Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals completely outside US jurisdi…

Wage theft is committed by millions of employers, this "theft" was committed by just a few people. While I agree with your general sentiment, the resources required to prosecute wage theft would be vastly greater than to prosecute this case.

That being said, they should definitely prosecute wage theft much more than they are now. Maybe the fear of jail time if wage theft were actually prosecuted a few times would deter most other potential wage thieves.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Post by jpgvm »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #80
jpgvm wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your geographical white privilege is showing. Getting access to books for instance in SEA or Africa is an entirely different story to one of the richest countries in the world with some of the highest standards of living (in your case Sweden but could apply to most EU/NA/AU/NZ). I would say the vast majority pirating couldn't afford the work in the first place, meaning nothing is lost from the perspective of the auth…

> Your geographical white privilege is showing. Although I fully agree with the points you make I just want to point out that being wealthy (from a world average wealth standpoint) is dissociated from being white. The issue is limited access to resources due to lack of wealth, or geo-location with bizantine distribution contracts. Race has little to do with this discussion. Plenty of white poor people across the glob…

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Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Post by inshadows »

andsoitis wrote: post #73
jhvkjhk wrote: post #5

They are so young! Does anyone know what will happen to them after the arrestment? I sincerely think they are doing charity.

> I sincerely think they are doing charity By limiting downloads (artificial scarcity)? By charging for pirated works?

They charge for bandwidth, server cycles and rent.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Post by cies »

zb1plus wrote: post #71
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #21

A small thought experiment: - Book sales in 2021 were about _9_ billion dollars. [0] - Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1] Can you imagine if the resources of the justice and labour departments would prioritize citizen wage over publishers' revenue? Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals completely outside US jurisdi…

Couldn't agree more. It is disgraceful how our tax dollars are used to prop up failed business models and oppress the little guy. Just another example of how supposedly democratic states only serve the interests of the elite.

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Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Post by ankaAr »

untech wrote: post #68
keewee7 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? The countries that don't have extradition agreements with the US overlap a lot with countries that have friendly relations with Russia. China, Cuba, and Russia would be the ideal choices if you're on the run from US authorities.

Argentina on the first glance would look “safe” to me, as South American nations seem in general not very pro-US. Live and learn, I guess. TIL that all South American countries have these extradition agreements. I feel bad for the arrested; even if their values were not pristine. Punishments for these kind of “offences” seem extremely harsh to me, being grown in a copyright-unaware climate.

Where is "not very pro-america"?!

Maybe not the actual government, but from saving in dollars to travelling we are very pro-american.

If we divide the world in pro-america, pro-europe, pro-rusia, pro-china, for us is Europe and America, and very far away the other options.

So, bad luck for this guy. Bro, Che Guevara died decades ago...

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Post by phpisthebest »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #81
phpisthebest wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals I would rather the justice department, and labor dept choose their targets for non-political reasons, neither for "social justice" nor corporate protectionism

> I would rather the justice department, and labor dept choose their targets for non-political reasons You want the justice department, a branch of the goverment, to not be political?

Yes. That should not be a shock, there are lots (in fact most) of government that is not suppose to be political, specifically when it comes to the enforcement of law.

The entire premise, the entire legitimacy of the legal system is the blind scales of justice.

It seems you want it to be political, that is would be a nation of despotism, oligarchs, and tyranny

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

dimva wrote: post #84
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #21

A small thought experiment: - Book sales in 2021 were about _9_ billion dollars. [0] - Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1] Can you imagine if the resources of the justice and labour departments would prioritize citizen wage over publishers' revenue? Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals completely outside US jurisdi…

Wage theft is committed by millions of employers, this "theft" was committed by just a few people. While I agree with your general sentiment, the resources required to prosecute wage theft would be vastly greater than to prosecute this case. That being said, they should definitely prosecute wage theft much more than they are now. Maybe the fear of jail time if wage theft were actually prosecuted a few times would det…

> Wage theft is committed by millions of employers...

Yes, and of those there are a handful doing it to millions of employees. Wage theft is not a few night shifts rounded off at SMEs. Plenty of traded companies doing it, no reason why you cannot target low numbers of big fish.

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