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Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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I went from preschool to second grade, and I thought it was OK. My teacher in first and second grade was really mean to me which caused me to beg my mom to let me go to public school as I was not willing to go back for a third year of that lady.

Overall I felt it was very restrictive on my education. My day consisted of a few required activities (copy down a few sentences by hand, do 5 addition problems, etc.) followed by doing whatever I wanted. My favorite one was putting together a cube out of these colored blocks, but there’s only so many times you can put that together. The rest of the day was basically spent in boredom as I’d exhausted all the activities that interested me. I spent a fair amount of time reading.

The restrictive part however was the complete lack of preparation on the part of the teachers to teach anything. I remember after doing addition for a while, I asked my teacher to teach me how to multiply. She said “no, that’s for third graders” and left. I basically pieced together that “two times three” meant 2+2+2 just from the way it sounded in English. What a way to shut down a child’s education.

I’m sure I had an abnormally bad experience, and my sample size isn’t enough to discredit the Montessori methodology as a whole. However, I was much happier and felt I learned a lot more from public school. My conclusion is thus that the quality of teachers is vastly more important than the methodology. If you have well-funded public schools in your area, I would definitely suggest them over a poorer private Montessori school.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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> I also liked that they had children of various years in the same classroom. I think it promoted knowledge sharing from the older kids to the younger ones, and it removed barriers for friendships. Some of my best friends back then where older than I was. That would never happen in middle or high school. In my own experience multi-year/grade classrooms seemed more fun and interesting, and I think there were social an…

Best school I went to divided classes between academic and social --- social classes (gym (physical education), social studies/history, homeroom, &c.) were attended at one's age/grade level --- for academic classes (English, science, math) one attended at one's grade level up to 4 grades ahead, until 8th grade when the cap was removed. For students who finished high school courses, some teachers were certified by the…

that’s sound awesome! what school was that?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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Damn, that part about being excited to learn and share knowledge with your peers only to be shouted down dredged up some memories. Most American schools are so regimented that any exploration of knowledge is actually sneered down. How did our communities let it get so bad...

My school at least tried, we had separate programs for "gifted" students separate from kids who were just there for the babysitting. Kind of dystopian, but I was never mocked for wanting to learn something even though my school was in a bad area.

I did my last year of high school in a public US high school.

I took some AP classes and some regular classes. The AP classes were probably better or at least on par with my private school Mexican high school.

The regular classes were a grim perspective into the US education system.

It felt mostly like a daycare for young adults. The way they treated us was closer to how you treat infants than 17 year olds. There was little to no hope for learning from the teachers, and no expectation from the students. Cheating was rampant.

When I told my English teacher I had been admitted to UT Austin, his reaction was "no you weren't".

The US takes good care of university bound students, but does a pretend job for for those that are not on that track.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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I did Montessori from kindergarten until grade 6 (age 12), in Mexico. I really, really like it. I think it reinforces the kids natural curiosity. In middle school, my first year out of Montessori, I was shocked at how little other kids cared about learning. I remember the teacher discussing something about astronomy, and I raised my hand to comment on some fact I had read, and what followed was mockery by my peers an…

You’re probably conflating expensive private school vs. public school here.

As I said elsewhere, it's plausible but to a lesser degree, since I'm comparing private schools here. Montessori was probably more expensive and was probably more attractive to parents that cared a lot more.

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-- did Waldorf - it was fantastic : https://www.masslive.com/pioneerparent/2007/09/a_tale_of_two... --

Seconded. My kids have been in Waldorf for a couple years. I plan on keeping them in Waldorf and when they’re older maybe supplementing with extracurricular math (like Russian school of math) since Waldorf excels more in creativity, imagination, and mindfulness but weaker in STEM (but still present). But that seems like the right priority for elementary aged children.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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There might be some confusion over what "classical education" means. Do you mean a traditional/mainstream public school? Or classical as in structured around the trivium? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_education_movement

I believe the confusion is merely your own. The context is clear here.

Not to me.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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My school at least tried, we had separate programs for "gifted" students separate from kids who were just there for the babysitting. Kind of dystopian, but I was never mocked for wanting to learn something even though my school was in a bad area.

I sometimes feel like most people would rather drag people down to their level then let them run free.

When my oldest went to the local middle school, there were 4 classes from one elementary and 3 each from 2 more making 250 or so kids. It seemed like there would be advanced English, regular English, and remedial English. Maybe 15-20% on each side and 60% or so in the middle.

Absolutely not, because being put in the remedial class was "tracking" so there could be no separating kids by ability. My daughter was sent to the library about every other day because she got her work done the first day and it was supposed to take two or three.

I am sympathetic to the idea that when a student is a little behind at one point doesn't mean that they always will be. Maybe things are going on at home, maybe they don't have a home, etc.

But our local school system insists on treating them all the same, regardless of their abilities.

My advice to my kids was to take any AP class that you could. It would be harder but you'd be in a class where the other students wanted to learn and almost always the teacher wanted to teach.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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I had a teacher who insisted to my heterochromic classmate, looking him straight in the eyes, that it's not possible to have one brown eye and one half blue/half brown eye, because that's not how genetics work. I don't understand why teachers are so often threatened by thoughtful children, but it's awfully sad.

Just look at their salaries [oublic school system]. Their pay weeds out quite a lot of good people

American private school salaries are often lower than equivalent public school salaries, because you don't need credentials to teach at a private school, and because private schools can be an easier work environment than public schools.

I did three years in education before switching to software development. I would have done a lot more if the pay was better and the schools provided more support to the teaching staff. Sometimes I feel like I'm wasting my time working on a bunch of worthless marketing websites instead of educating people but at least I can provide for my family and live a rich and fulfilling life outside of work.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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I attended Montessori from 3rd-6th grade and then went to a 2-year transition program called "Project Based Learning" before returning to traditional schooling for 9th-12th grades. I loved Montessori and it helped shape me into the person I am today.

However, transitioning back to traditional schooling was extremely painful, and sadly it never got easier. I hated the rest of my school experience, from 9th grade until basically the end of college.

In Montessori, when it was time to learn a new subject, I'd have a brief, one-on-one conversation with the teacher to get oriented, and then after 10-20 minutes, they'd set me loose to apply the ideas on my own until I mastered the material.

Compared to that freedom, ordinary classrooms were miserable. Trapped, listening to lectures for 45+ minutes at a time before I was able to get my hands dirty and try anything out. And if I caught on early in a lecture, that made things even worse! Now I had to sit there for a half hour and listen to a teacher explain something I already understood—to no one's benefit. I'm getting worked up just thinking of it. Suffice it to say that moving at the pace of the slowest person in the class was torture for my ADHD brain. Montessori spoiled me and I never really reacclimatized.

I don't have any advice except that for some people (like me) Montessori works extremely well, and for many others, it doesn't work well at all. But if it works well, then transitioning back to regular schooling can be tough.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

#230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There might be some confusion over what "classical education" means. Do you mean a traditional/mainstream public school? Or classical as in structured around the trivium? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_education_movement

I believe the confusion is merely your own. The context is clear here.

It wasn't clear to me, either - there's an education system conventionally called "classical education" and it is not what you refer to when you use that term.
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