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Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by dang » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:43 AM UTC

circular_lights wrote: post #4

fedeb95 wrote: post #2

As any article confusing life with literature (or philosophy), ultimately, confusing the author personal life with his ideas, or reaching conclusions between the two, this is mainly garbage. Live your life, read Nietzsche (or whoever else): does it make sense to you? That matters. As Wittgenstein put it, philosophy is like stairs. Once you reach a certain height, you can throw them away.

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Maybe so, but please don't fulminate on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

edit: and please don't snark or post shallow dimissals, as you did in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33632057

Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by cr4nberry » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 3:59 AM UTC

ramesh31 wrote: post #17

Why Nietzche's ideas can be so dangerous without the aid of proper context and perspective. They are very seductive to a certain type of young man. But the reality of human fallibility leads to terminal ressentiment in the end for anyone fixed in that philosophy. It is a total dead end.

> But the reality of human fallibility leads to terminal ressentiment in the end for anyone fixed in that philosophy. It is a total dead end.

Could you elaborate a little bit? If you're going to disregard his thought with a broad stroke, you might as well

Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by cr4nberry » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:29 AM UTC

Something to keep in mind with Nietzsche is that he made enemies out of both Christianity and egalitarian ideology. A lot of the criticisms of him come from these two crowds, and a lot of it is an ad hominem attack on his character

Why do these folks dislike him so much? Because no one saw their flaws and latched onto them as viciously as he did

It's one thing to point out his own fragility and the obvious contrast with his writing, but he never intended to wholly embody the ideals that he wrote about. His goal was to pave the way for others to free themselves from the sickness of the sad passions that these belief sets so eagerly try to cultivate. A sickness from which he himself was not immune

Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by bergenty » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:37 AM UTC

I don’t understand his underlying premise. Life doesn’t need meaning, just existence is blissful. In fact meaning is this context is meaningless.

“What is the meaning of life?” is a nonsensical question/sentence.

Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by tsol » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:45 AM UTC

bergenty wrote: post #24

I don’t understand his underlying premise. Life doesn’t need meaning, just existence is blissful. In fact meaning is this context is meaningless. “What is the meaning of life?” is a nonsensical question/sentence.

>just existence is blissful

Erm.. citation needed. I'd say all the existential angst in the first world disproves that.

Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by bergenty » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:48 AM UTC

tsol wrote: post #25

bergenty wrote: post #24

I don’t understand his underlying premise. Life doesn’t need meaning, just existence is blissful. In fact meaning is this context is meaningless. “What is the meaning of life?” is a nonsensical question/sentence.

>just existence is blissful Erm.. citation needed. I'd say all the existential angst in the first world disproves that.

I’m speaking for myself.

Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by drewcape » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 5:20 AM UTC

bergenty wrote: post #24

I don’t understand his underlying premise. Life doesn’t need meaning, just existence is blissful. In fact meaning is this context is meaningless. “What is the meaning of life?” is a nonsensical question/sentence.

Call it a guide rail. What should you orient yourself towards during your life?

Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by drewcape » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 5:27 AM UTC

dmm wrote: post #8

> He devised [eternal recurrence] in 1881, at a time of personal crisis and romantic rejection, and one must conclude that it was a consolatory comfort blanket. That doesn't sound comforting to me. Wow my life sucks right now but at least I'll be able to relive it exactly as it is again-and-again forever.

This was not meant to be salvation, rather a reason to love one's own fate "Amor fati."

Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by HKH2 » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 7:41 AM UTC

tsol wrote: post #25

bergenty wrote: post #24

I don’t understand his underlying premise. Life doesn’t need meaning, just existence is blissful. In fact meaning is this context is meaningless. “What is the meaning of life?” is a nonsensical question/sentence.

>just existence is blissful Erm.. citation needed. I'd say all the existential angst in the first world disproves that.

When people do not embody the values they possess, how can they be happy?

Re: The Twilight of Nietzsche

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Post by fedeb95 » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 7:42 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #19

fedeb95 wrote: post #2

As any article confusing life with literature (or philosophy), ultimately, confusing the author personal life with his ideas, or reaching conclusions between the two, this is mainly garbage. Live your life, read Nietzsche (or whoever else): does it make sense to you? That matters. As Wittgenstein put it, philosophy is like stairs. Once you reach a certain height, you can throw them away.

" Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

That's not what I did. Read better. I state that it's garbage because the very first thing you learn when analysing literature is separating men from their ideas. This article doesn't do that and proceeds to find meaningless conclusions.