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My ADHD founder toolbox

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Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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> Weirdly, he was there due to some sponsorship related to disabilities because he had ADHD. Can I ask why you find that weird? ADHD is, and is also comorbid with other learning disabilities. ADHD has so many dimensions and interrelationships between those dimensions that everybody's lived experience is different. If you know one person with ADHD, then you know one person with ADHD, you don't know everyone with ADHD.…

I feel the ADHD is a strength not weakness mentality is generally harmful. There are some aspects of it that can help, especially when you are not deep working on one thing, but in general, I think it is unequivocally not a benefit to almost anyone who has it. edit: I would add there is some survivorship bias to it too. Successful CEO says ADHD helped? Huh. Cool. There is a reason alcoholism and substance abuse have…

I agree, and think it also serves to negate any necessary accomodation you might otherwise get during the struggle to just do a standard job consistently.

"Oh, you struggle to show up 100% on time every day to the standup? I saw an article on the top of HN about a CEO that used it to his advantage, so what's your problem?"

Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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I saw the guy who founded kinkos speak at Babson business school about 20 years ago. Weirdly, he was there due to some sponsorship related to disabilities because he had ADHD. He got up and in the first 30 seconds said he thought ADHD had helped him, didn’t think of it as a negative, and just came because he wanted to tell his story. Like so many founders (esp of retail businesses, I find), he was super charismatic a…

Everyone’s different. For me, ADHD is like being an RPG class with different “stances” or “modals”. I can be energetic and fun and charming (allegedly) and very social, quick witted, a natural comedian. Or I can be quiet and focused and studious. But I can never be both at the same time. Concerta is what lets me pick. I’ve never seen it as a disability because it is an advantage in so many ways. I’m just so thankful…

If your ADHD manifests in being quiet and focused vs very social as the extremes, then you got hit very mild

Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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I saw the guy who founded kinkos speak at Babson business school about 20 years ago. Weirdly, he was there due to some sponsorship related to disabilities because he had ADHD. He got up and in the first 30 seconds said he thought ADHD had helped him, didn’t think of it as a negative, and just came because he wanted to tell his story. Like so many founders (esp of retail businesses, I find), he was super charismatic a…

Everyone’s different. For me, ADHD is like being an RPG class with different “stances” or “modals”. I can be energetic and fun and charming (allegedly) and very social, quick witted, a natural comedian. Or I can be quiet and focused and studious. But I can never be both at the same time. Concerta is what lets me pick. I’ve never seen it as a disability because it is an advantage in so many ways. I’m just so thankful…

Hey, I'm in exactly the same place, including the specific drug. It sucks though how much volatility there can be day to day if I'm not totally on top of taking it early enough, or get a bad sleep. Today my day was frontloaded with meetings, and then I just needed to peace out for a bit and try to get back on track with programming... now. Do you struggle with that as well?

My boss truly doesn't seem to have a concept of some of these bits and I fear I might lose or have to leave my 7th job. There always comes a point where they want to micro manage things, and that just ruins everything.

Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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> After meeting the founders last summer during their YC batch, I’ve been pretty consistently using the app InFlow, which I described to a friend as “super chill easy cognitive behavioural skill-building around ADHD.” I feel like I’ve made real progress using it. This blog post reads like an advertisement for InFlow (YC S21), which was roundly criticized for being exploitative of people with ADHD, when it was posted…

A little ironic, considering the site here versus: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html

Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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> Weirdly, he was there due to some sponsorship related to disabilities because he had ADHD. Can I ask why you find that weird? ADHD is, and is also comorbid with other learning disabilities. ADHD has so many dimensions and interrelationships between those dimensions that everybody's lived experience is different. If you know one person with ADHD, then you know one person with ADHD, you don't know everyone with ADHD.…

I feel the ADHD is a strength not weakness mentality is generally harmful. There are some aspects of it that can help, especially when you are not deep working on one thing, but in general, I think it is unequivocally not a benefit to almost anyone who has it. edit: I would add there is some survivorship bias to it too. Successful CEO says ADHD helped? Huh. Cool. There is a reason alcoholism and substance abuse have…

> I think it is unequivocally not a benefit to almost anyone who has it.

I wouldn’t even be capable of overstating the damage done to my life by it. Inattentive form is a curse in my personal experience, but of course I am one person and not all have such bad experiences.

The mentality can be harmful, for some of us there are no strengths and no benefits provided to us, just years of suffering and bad outcomes. Makes me feel worse about myself personally, but I’m glad for those who haven’t had the same issues.

Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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I feel the ADHD is a strength not weakness mentality is generally harmful. There are some aspects of it that can help, especially when you are not deep working on one thing, but in general, I think it is unequivocally not a benefit to almost anyone who has it. edit: I would add there is some survivorship bias to it too. Successful CEO says ADHD helped? Huh. Cool. There is a reason alcoholism and substance abuse have…

I want to emphasize this opinion. There is definitely survivorship bias, and I dislike people calling it a 'superpower'. Yes it can make you more reckless and impulsive to take risks like founding a company, but it's important to keep in mind that ADHD is a serious cognitive disability, and we should treat it as that. There is so much it messes with on a daily basis and it absolutely sucks. So much coping, self-doubt…

> Yes it can make you more reckless and impulsive to take risks like founding a company, but it's important to keep in mind that ADHD is a serious cognitive disability, and we should treat it as that. There is so much it messes with on a daily basis and it absolutely sucks.

I think the r/ADHD approach on Reddit nails it: even if it did have benefits for you, please don't refer to it as a superpower because there's a lot of people who will feel even worse about their own experience of the disability when you do that.

And, yeah, for me it's been very much a double-edged sword. I started a consulting company while in grad school; it was awesome for my (undiagnosed at the time) ADHD brain: new projects every couple of months! Learn something new every time! Hell, I went to grad school very likely because of ADHD; I couldn't handle the stale "every day is more of the same" feeling I had in the regular working world. I went to study a hard problem, but about 16 months after I started really digging into it, commercial solutions started appearing that essentially did the same thing I was researching... I lost interest quickly, especially when all of the research was done and writing and editing my thesis was all that was left.

I've worked on so many wildly varied projects over the years. I've got an EE/CS dual degree, and I've been down at the schematic and PCB design level and up at the web & mobile app level. I'm just as comfortable writing Verilog as I am writing React code. Deep GNSS work and software-defined radio, 2D high resolution imaging, 3D depth field imaging, audio processing, ultra-low-power sensors, level-sensing in 80,000L fuel tanks using a clever pressure-sensing approach, drone flight planning and control algorithms, yadda yadda yadda. And all of those different things all are related to each other in some tangential ways that I pick up on right away while others just scratch their heads.

On the other hand, I lose things all the time, forget to pay bills for months, lose touch with people I care about, struggled for years and years to maintain a romantic relationship, forget my bag in the car and forget to lock it (that was an expensive mistake). I've spent a ton of money starting new hobbies only to lose interest. I have a multi-year backlog of projects I've started but not finished. My house is a disaster. I'm almost 40 and have almost nothing saved up for retirement.

I got lucky and made it through undergrad and a masters program. Hell, I got lucky and made it through high school... if my teachers had followed their own rules to the letter I probably wouldn't have, but they saw "my spark" and made enough concessions that I ended up, just barely, on the honour roll instead of failing out.

I had no insight into any of this being related to a disability until last year.

Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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I feel like if the author actually uses the app daily, that’s a pretty strong endorsement.

I did like 40% of the content over the year I used it - it’s got some great stuff in it. I churned at the end of the year but I’ll probably pick it back up again soon; I definitely feel it was worth the price of admission (especially compared to like… a single session of therapy) As I said elsethread, I have no connection or financial interest in inflow aside from having met them through YC and generally finding them…

Can you give some details on the good parts?

To me it sounds like one of those ADHD self-management guru talks that try to apply something generic to an issue that's very personal and individual. Some solution that gets ADHD folks interested, hyperfocus on it as the next productivity solution, just to lose interest after 2-3 weeks and forget to cancel.

I want to believe that I understand my ADHD better than anyone else, and my warnings signals go off when I see things like that, because I can absolutely see myself getting hooked on a new productivity paradigm for a short while

Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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I generally agree with that. It should not be glamourized. I liken it to being like Cyclops in the X-Men. Sure you can shoot lasers out of your eyes, but you can never look upon the love of your life naturally and unfiltered. That being said, some of most cherished achievements would not have been possible without it, and that's where the cognitive dissonance begins.

I feel like I just don’t know. How can I? I can hyperfocus, get into flow, and crank through things that make hours and days and weeks fly by. I can also be deeep in the pit of distraction where it is impossible to start anything and I feel broken and the deeper I get the more I try to avoid doing even the smallest thing that might mean forward progress because everything is already so bad so just go and play some ga…

I very much relate to this. Sometimes challenging and complicated problems come apart easily. Sometimes you waste a week procrastinating something simple. Unfortunately my procrastination has been rewarded so many times. Of you've got a change in scope for the thing I haven't even started yet? No problem! Oh, our priorities have changed and we no longer need that thing? Fantastic! Most recently, I was supposed to be planning a vacation with another family. I procrastinated it long enough that circumstances changed and the other family had to cancel for unrelated reasons. That can be even more frustrating because I know it's just reinforcing those bad behaviors.

Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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Everyone’s different. For me, ADHD is like being an RPG class with different “stances” or “modals”. I can be energetic and fun and charming (allegedly) and very social, quick witted, a natural comedian. Or I can be quiet and focused and studious. But I can never be both at the same time. Concerta is what lets me pick. I’ve never seen it as a disability because it is an advantage in so many ways. I’m just so thankful…

If your ADHD manifests in being quiet and focused vs very social as the extremes, then you got hit very mild

I think the punchline is that they can be "quiet and focused" when they take Methylphenidate and social/reckless/fun when they don't.

That was the problem for me before I was diagnosed and medicated. I wanted so badly to be able to be quite and focused, but it was practically impossible to do it through will. Sometimes I would get lucky and something would catch my interest (hyperfocus), but most of the time I was all over the damned place.

Re: My ADHD founder toolbox

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I want to emphasize this opinion. There is definitely survivorship bias, and I dislike people calling it a 'superpower'. Yes it can make you more reckless and impulsive to take risks like founding a company, but it's important to keep in mind that ADHD is a serious cognitive disability, and we should treat it as that. There is so much it messes with on a daily basis and it absolutely sucks. So much coping, self-doubt…

> Yes it can make you more reckless and impulsive to take risks like founding a company, but it's important to keep in mind that ADHD is a serious cognitive disability, and we should treat it as that. There is so much it messes with on a daily basis and it absolutely sucks. I think the r/ADHD approach on Reddit nails it: even if it did have benefits for you , please don't refer to it as a superpower because there's a…

Thank goodness for auto pay on bills and a NT wife. I don’t know how she puts up with where my brain has ended up some years, but we have done great together as a family :)

Also, I totally get that picking up random links thing. I always found I could sort of link together certain kinds of concepts together really quickly. Never super deeply, but like, learning new programming languages, I could just dive in, look at code, and things would just click together pretty often. I also get having a disaster of a house, spending money on hobbies and losing interest . Some of the time I read tech people’s ADHD experience and I feel so… understood. Like, are you me? You could be me.

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