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Why is the terminal input so weird?

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Re: Why is the terminal input so weird?

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Post by qrio2 »

danny_warp wrote: post #16
smoldesu wrote: post #3

As much as I'd like to encourage the rethinking of input methods, any terminal with a "Pricing" page is an instant nope from me. My current terminal is Open Source and while it's not perfect, it's also Free. That matters more to me than mouse input or IDE autosuggestions. If you're going to treat Linux users as a second-class citizen and charge for corporate usage, who are you hoping your target audience will be? Fra…

The app is 100% free for any and all individuals. The business plan is to create collaborative and cloud-based features that businesses will be willing to pay for. Please check out our pricing page to learn more. Please note that our business model is not about collecting and monetizing any of your personal data. https://www.warp.dev/privacy

How many times do you need to get dunked on before you stop promoting this waste of an app

Re: Why is the terminal input so weird?

#132

Post by qrio2 »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #100

Let's be honest here, nobody is using this warp terminal as long as it's closed-source and especially not when it has built-in tracking. To the warp terminal developers: I'm sure your terminal program is great, but stop posting this content-marketing stuff here. It's not your audience.

Seconded, this product is like an anti-tool.

Re: Why is the terminal input so weird?

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #100

Let's be honest here, nobody is using this warp terminal as long as it's closed-source and especially not when it has built-in tracking. To the warp terminal developers: I'm sure your terminal program is great, but stop posting this content-marketing stuff here. It's not your audience.

The program may be great, may be bad, but the article is interesting when considered in the topic of terminal input and ergonomics.

Re: Why is the terminal input so weird?

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Post by Brian_K_White »

MrWiffles wrote: post #84

I like the idea of Warp, but I just can't get past the whole "login required to use a terminal" thing. If you force a login to use your closed-source app, beta or not, I'm sorry, but I can't take any commitment to privacy you make seriously whatsoever. No matter how well-intentioned you may be. That well's been poisoned beyond redemption by far worse people than you and there's just no going back. Now if that login r…

"No matter how well-intentioned you may be."

... and they should already know all that, and there is really no believable excuse for not knowing all that already, and I don't for a second believe they don't.

So, really there is not even any doubt to give any benefit of the doubt like "even if you're well intentioned". Passed that already.

Re: Why is the terminal input so weird?

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Post by green_on_black »

quesera wrote: post #105
shric wrote: post #94

Dark pattern #1: Allowing the user to download the app and only then requiring the user to login/signup. This is because you know very well almost nobody will bother to try your terminal if you make it clear you require a login up front. But if they've gone to the trouble of downloading it, dragging it to Applications and running it, then maybe they'll go all the way. Dark pattern #2: On sign-up, you "agree to our te…

I'm going to go straight to "Any terminal or shell which initiates network connections as part of its core execution model, is a huge no from me". Think about all the things you type into a shell, via a terminal!

Stable Diffusion hentai plots.

Re: Why is the terminal input so weird?

#138

Post by Brian_K_White »

danny_warp wrote: post #16
smoldesu wrote: post #3

As much as I'd like to encourage the rethinking of input methods, any terminal with a "Pricing" page is an instant nope from me. My current terminal is Open Source and while it's not perfect, it's also Free. That matters more to me than mouse input or IDE autosuggestions. If you're going to treat Linux users as a second-class citizen and charge for corporate usage, who are you hoping your target audience will be? Fra…

The app is 100% free for any and all individuals. The business plan is to create collaborative and cloud-based features that businesses will be willing to pay for. Please check out our pricing page to learn more. Please note that our business model is not about collecting and monetizing any of your personal data. https://www.warp.dev/privacy

There is simply no excuse for this entire concept of this mode of operation for a terminal.

There is no such thing as a good and well-intentioned and safe-trust-us way to do it. The fundamental concept is offensive from the outset.

There is no nice and honest and integrity way to do a fundamentally bad thing.

Re: Why is the terminal input so weird?

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Post by astrobe_ »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #15

> This post is about why terminal-based input seems stuck in the 80s It's actually more 60s/70s, when the first terminals, command-line prompts, and shells were built. The reason why it's stuck there is technology has only improved iteratively rather than revolutionarily. The "lets add another layer of abstraction" form of innovation, rather than outside-the-box thinking and reinvention. The fact that we still write…

> The fact that we still write software by hand using lines of source code in a text editor is pretty ridiculous to me. It's not that far removed from punch cards.

Well, it wasn't hard to beat punch cards in terms of convenience (BTW did you use them once?), but apparently it's very difficult to beat text editors because they've survived for 50+ years despite the fact the mouse was available in the 80s and that people have been saying that sort of thing once in a while for at least 3 decades.

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