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Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by zmxz »

mcphage wrote: post #227
Turing_Machine wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if he measures that by "number of lines of code written" I've seen a lot of people making that claim, but no actual evidence that he did that. You do understand that "evaluating someone's competence by reading their code" is not necessarily the same as "evaluating someone's competence by counting the number of lines", right?

> I've seen a lot of people making that claim, but no actual evidence that he did that. Same here—I've seen it reported, but I don't know if it's true. However, upstream of me also claimed: > Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. Which as far as I can see is just as much a claim made without evidence—all the evidence that I have seen about this has at least indicated the opposite, even…

> Which as far as I can see is just as much a claim made without evidence—all the evidence that I have seen about this has at least indicated the opposite, even if it's not crystal clear.

The evidence you're after is called being the richest man on the planet. He didn't achieve that by creating everything he sells by himself and by mistreating his employees. Some really, really brilliant people work for him and they thrive.

You, of course, are free to choose to believe what you want or to be objective for a second. It's trivial to hate someone, especially when you're fed negative news about them, but just give yourself the freedom to think about Musk objectively.

Disclaimer: I'm not his fan, but I'm honestly tired of self-proclaimed moral verticals judging the guy and every step he makes, not giving him a possibility of just being human and making errors along the way, as if they'd be able to do anything better if the places were swapped. It's disgusting.

If you were in his shoes and if an engineer who can't make an Android app to work in this day and age belittles you publicly, you'd fire him too.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by vincnetas »

dhfbshfbu4u3 wrote: post #187
vincnetas wrote: post #84

Dang, why is this not a poll? Here's a identical Poll : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33623212 For ethers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21231804

I thought about it, but I felt actual responses would be better than a thumbs up/down thing.

But you can also comment on poll.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by thr83away »

bbor wrote: post #67

Ok regardless of his recently showcased lack of technical abilities and preference for 996: Isn’t it pretty clear that he’s super unstable and spiraling quickly? He was forced to buy Twitter because his history of stock market manipulation blew a 420 joke out of proportion, and now he’s worrying about bankruptcy and rolling out features that crash and burn within 24h. Not to mention the many, many reports of the toxi…

What's the 420 joke? Citation please

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by cthulha »

fdasfdafdasfdsa wrote: post #200
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #81

Not only should we not work for these people, we should actively take their power from them by organizing and supporting each other as much as possible. It's crazy to me that our profession fights unionization despite repeated, predictable and consistent anti-worker, antisocial, narcissistic, ego driven companies that grind us up and spit us out Giving someone unvested RSUs with no voting rights, in third class stock…

Because pay would be by seniority instead of by....skills?

Not necessarily. You're joining 'mutual action to protect workers' with 'minutiae of internal processes are done the same as other unionized industries did them 50 years ago'. It's possible to have one without the other.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by kamaal »

aaomidi wrote: post #204
fdasfdafdasfdsa wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My poor immigrant Indian grandparents became millionaires as did many of their siblings and friends. They certainly wouldn't have done so with socialism.

They wouldn’t have needed so. Being a millionaire is only “powerful” if there are people in poverty. If poverty didn’t exist, then being a millionaire wasn’t actually going to be that big of an increase in life quality. We should seek to cancel out rent seeking behavior. The thing I hate about our economy is the amount of momentum money gives others while actively holding others back. If our economy was truly based a…

>>Being a millionaire is only “powerful” if there are people in poverty.

Isn't that whole point of being rich? You are better than the others?

There is an always a stack rank, whether we like to agree with this or not. Any attempts to flatten the hierarchy only leads to the mess we saw in the last century.

People like to get rewarded for being better than the rest.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by rtpg »

lostmsu wrote: post #129
rtpg wrote: post #43

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One thing that can be said about Twitter, is it is really revealing of how people are, rather than how their PR teams try to view people. Maybe he’s playing 4D chess, but I don’t know if there’s a lot of superhuman chess behind signing a binding agreement waiving due diligence at a meme price. The man is a walking unforced error. Given the downturn of access to free money I wonder what happens next for him (and other…

> One thing that can be said about Twitter, is it is really revealing of how people are, rather than how their PR teams try to view people. This is extremely naive. Most people likely use their inner "PR team" when posting.

I agree! Most people have this. I think the simplest idea here is that before twitter people would talk through interviews, or press releases, and there you would have other people also participating in the filtering process. There's a reason PR people exist, after all.

But with Twitter, there are less checks going on, and... well... some people are good at filtering, some people are less good at it (they might be totally great at other parts of their jobs!).

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