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Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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to be clear: - he lent his own hedge fund $8b collateralized by tokens he controlled issuance of (FTT, SRM, MAPS, OXY). At full size, the liquidation price of these tokens was 0 (he also purchased billions worth of FTT off the market when he could print them himself for free?). - Sensing alameda was insolvent and customer funds were misappropriated, customers withdrew until they ran out of liquidity. - Withdrawals we…

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Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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Author: "so the ethics stuff - mostly a front?" SBF: "yeah" Absolutely gobsmacked. I saw these screenshots on Twitter and I thought they were fake until I read the article. The rest of the messages from him are pretty terrible as well. I thought he just fucked up, but no. He was wilfully unethical and maintains he did nothing wrong: "Sometimes life creeps up on you". And the thing he regrets most is filing for Chapte…

The guy is likely a psychopath. I mean just compare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorde... and see how many boxes he checks. When a high-skilled evil psychopath gets going, he (or she) usually leaves a trail of people asking themselves "how could we not see it for so long?!".

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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The obvious conclusion here is that SBF is just a cynical but skilled manipulator. But then why send these DMs at all - surely a skilled manipulator would know better, or could at least present himself in a positive light?

Maybe all those stimulants have taken their toll. Or he's totally given up.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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Well there's a sense of contrition there, so that's good. However there's no reasonable excuse. You can't be like "aw man, I wish we'd been more organized". A big piece of this is on the investors. All those depositors would have been saying "Hey Sequoia and OTPP are in there, they must have checked things are sound". Was that foolish of them, to assume reputable investors had done their due diligence? You're between…

Fascinated to read that you thought he came across as contrite. My reading was the opposite - that he was nihilistic, narcissistic and utterly devoid of contrition. Specifically: there seems almost no recognition of his own agency - it’s all just bad stuff that happened to him.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried, incompetence could be a legal strategy - https://www.axios.com/2022/11/16/ftx-sam-bankman-fried-incom... > Lawyers tell Axios the main criminal risk Bankman-Fried faces is an indictment on charges of fraud — one of the more common charges in white-collar prosecutions. But to convict, prosecutors must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone had knowledge or intent to commit fraud, whi…

I think I might go rob a bank and use the excuse "I wasn't robbing it, I'm just really bad at withdrawals!"

"I'm sorry, I think I got a label mixed up, you mean this isn't MY account?"

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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>Bankman-Fried says his No. 1 priority now is to try to raise $8 billion to make account holders whole. So, basically start up a new Ponzi. Because that's exactly what raising money from new investors to pay off existing investors is. Note he did NOT say "generate $8B in profit". At this point he needs to STFU, stop posting on social media, stop giving interviews in the media, and do whatever his lawyers tell him to.

Well you see, he wants to take those $8B and put them in a box, then start printing box-tokens that he can lend to his trading arm, then he can build a market for those box tokens giving them intrinsic value, while he siphons the 8B$ off to ... wait, how he's going to make his users whole? Well you see he just needs to raise 16B$ and put them in a box...

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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post #163

From the CEO of NuGenesis network and Metalabs global: - Someone was dumping our coin - We found out it was Alameda - We asked them to stop market making, yet they continued dumping, all on Liquid - We have a lot of proof showing the above - We've known about the FTX scam months and months ago & contacted the SEC - Media did not listen to us - No one was listening because no one wanted to believe FTX & SBF was a scam…

This Mario person is a charlatan who recently deleted the entire contents of his web site because it was publicly advertising that his career is the sale of fake engagement to pump shitcoins

Mario is just the messenger here and host of that chat, not the speaker.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I imagine my question would be "hey, where'd all the deposits go?" But we know where they went. To Alameda Research. Then Alameda Research sent them somewhere else. The money isn't coming back, and Alameda Research's collateral of FTT tokens is worthless. So that's that, its done. Its actually quite a simple story here. FTX lent the money to someone else (even if Alameda Research is also owned by SBF), and that oth…

> FTX lent the money to someone else (even if Alameda Research is also owned by SBF), and that other group lost the money One minor clarification: "lent" should be "stole". If I can't pay my mortgage, I'm not allowed to go break in to my neighbor's house to steal some cash that I'll "borrow" in the hopes of paying back later. FTX's Ts&Cs we're very clear - customer deposits were not FTX's to lend. This is a simple, s…

Not to mention, he literally tweeted a week ago that "We don't invest client assets (even in Treasuries)." FTX is not bank. It's not supposed to be susceptible to a bank run.

This entire line of tweets makes no sense. SBF is a lying fraud that deserves prison.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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I think this is... journalism. You can't text a fraudster in the bahamas and say "Hey, why are you so shit". You have to text "Hey, you're a precious flower with a special story" and then they tell you why they're shit. There's very clearly a level where SBF feels safe to talk honestly, in a self-incriminating way to a friend, where that friend is actually a reporter working for Vox.

Oh absolutely, it's just weird when that tone leaks into the text of the article. A sort of winking style that expects the reader to read between the lines, which is fine as far as it goes! But imagine beginning an article about Bernie Madoff in the weeks after his Ponzi's collapse pretending that you just wanted to learn more about his ethical principles.

I think its more akin to asking a religious leader who turns out to be a con artist what his true beliefs are. SBF's beliefs were integral to his success and the only reason some like me had every heard of him. Madoff actually did raise a lot of money by appealing to Judaism (hence the large investment by Brandeis) and I'm sure Jewish publications covered that angle of it right after it happened.

A lot of people (including myself) had listened to him talk (on Sam Harris, on Odd Lots, on Conversations with Tyler) because of his interesting beliefs. I had no idea who CZ was until this week because I am not interested in the minutiae of crypto. But SBF leveraged his image for this.

Ultimately it seemed the amount of actual money of other people he lost was a few billion? Which is extremely awful but less interesting than the media landscape which lead to it, imo, especially if you are not a finance reporter.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself

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It this real? Is he really THAT stupid? His defense against "you took user deposits and gambled the money" is "No, I took user deposits, loaned them to myself and then gambled the money". I mean this is like nested layers of stupidity. You'd be stupid to do this, you'd be stupid to think it's not a major crime, you'd be stupid to think that this was in any way acts as a defense of your crime and you'd be stupid to ac…

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