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I have enough leverage in any conversation, that bosses don't have much choice other than to entertain the idea. I use this "leverage" to build further reputation as the person who only talks in the benefit of others. But Elon has this "my way or highway" blinded racehorse mentality. He overruns people if he doesn't get his way.
> I have enough leverage in any conversation, that bosses don't have much choice other than to entertain the idea So you're saying you can be passive-aggressive all you want and your bosses can't fire you? Well, good for you. You've reached Dr. House status. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?
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#222But yeah they’d need to pay at least twice as much as the company across the street.
And I end my work day at 5pm sharp every day, and work from home.
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Frankly, if someone judges people for working somewhere, regardless of the circumstances, I would see that as a huge red flag.
working somewhere, briefly. not too much of a red flag working somewhere a while and thriving in that environment? But I get it, ethics can easily fly out the window when you choose, especially when there's alot of money in play to bribe your feelings.
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My poor immigrant Indian grandparents became millionaires as did many of their siblings and friends. They certainly wouldn't have done so with socialism.
They wouldn’t have needed so. Being a millionaire is only “powerful” if there are people in poverty. If poverty didn’t exist, then being a millionaire wasn’t actually going to be that big of an increase in life quality. We should seek to cancel out rent seeking behavior. The thing I hate about our economy is the amount of momentum money gives others while actively holding others back. If our economy was truly based a…
I guess you have never been to a socialist country?
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You don't know anything about this guy, his employment history, if was underperforming in the past, etc. You read yet another hit piece on Elon because he's taking out the trash at Twitter and all of a sudden this one example has TOTALLY changed your opinion. You are being manipulated.
You really can’t conceive of a world where Elon’s actions soiled his reputation? You think all of this is just some narrative being pushed, or are you just sensing a shift in public opinion and since it’s a deviation from the norm you are assigning it to some unknown “force?”
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#226To me this question would only be asked from someone who is part of the Silicon Vally/FAANG/woke bubbles. There are many engineers who are not part of the those bubbles who would be interested in working for him. I know a half dozen personally, and I would too. You state that he is gaslighting as if it is a fact. I'm no Elon Stan. What I see is someone walking into an incredibly disorganized organization and creating…
You literally have no evidence anything was actually wrong at Twitter.
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> Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. And if he measures that by "number of lines of code written", do believe that is an accurate measure of how good a programmer is at what they do?
> And if he measures that by "number of lines of code written" I've seen a lot of people making that claim, but no actual evidence that he did that. You do understand that "evaluating someone's competence by reading their code" is not necessarily the same as "evaluating someone's competence by counting the number of lines", right?
Same here—I've seen it reported, but I don't know if it's true. However, upstream of me also claimed:
> Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do.
Which as far as I can see is just as much a claim made without evidence—all the evidence that I have seen about this has at least indicated the opposite, even if it's not crystal clear.
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working somewhere, briefly. not too much of a red flag working somewhere a while and thriving in that environment? But I get it, ethics can easily fly out the window when you choose, especially when there's alot of money in play to bribe your feelings.
If you're impying recruiters would see someone thriving in Twitter under Elon as a bad thing, you're either deeply deluded and have no idea how recruitment works, projecting your own subjective feelings onto the whole industry, or a paid shill hired to badmouth Elon on the internet.
With regard to how recruitment works, I've never been on a team where a recruiter got final say over whether someone is hired. As an engineer, I've had a lot of say in that decision many times. As for whether those feelings are projected, well… just look at which way the sentiment is going in this thread. Would you really want to take that gamble?
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> It's crazy to me that our profession fights unionization despite repeated, predictable and consistent anti-worker, antisocial, narcissistic, ego driven companies that grind us up and spit us out Unionization is no different from giving someone else control over your paycheck. Just as there are narcissistic bosses there are mafia-like unions and, in both cases, you're not going to know until it's too late. The benef…
This is precisely the attitude that keeps us here. Crabs in a bucket. >Vested RSUs turn people into millionaires overnight. So do lottery tickets - your odds are about the same too >The benefit of the tech industry is that there's always a market for it and there are low barriers to entry. Programmers can vote with their feet. This isn't the 1950s. There are millions of choices for tech workers today that aren't stre…
I'm doing the opposite of advocating for a crab bucket. What I'd like is for every capable individual to pursue their own self-interest to their highest ability, while still being able to preserve their individual liberty of contract.
Unions are built on seniority systems and care little for quality or merit. Many go so far as deny non-unionized coworkers the right to individually represent themselves (see Janus v. AFSCME). The union does not value individual skill. In general, it values the will of the collective, and, in particular, it's most vocal and demanding representatives.
I would have no issue with people choosing to be part of a union as an organization of like-minded compatriots willing to subject themselves and only themselves to said union's terms. After all, whether to one's advantage of detriment, every person has freedom of association. Such an arrangement is similar to a startup.
However, unions in the US rely on the imposition of the government's police power. They're essentially state-backed special interest groups. That they are political institutions in their own right should have anyone who values his liberties concerned at the very least.
> So do lottery tickets - your odds are about the same too
The chances of winning 1 million dollars in a semi-weekly game of Powerball are 1 in 11,688,054. All things being equal, that's roughly 14 people for every employed person in the US. Meaning that in a given year ~5,824 Powerball winners (not including the Jackpot) can be expected to be millionaires before taxes. Compare that with the millions of tech workers with six figure salaries + RSUs.
> "I have enough options so I do not feel any sense of responsibility to support my coworkers against a structurally imbalanced system"
Firstly, I never made any personal claims about my own life. Whether I do or don't have options has no bearing on the fact the others do. This can be observed from the record low unemployment rate. And even where there are layoffs, the 3-month severance packages pay more than most American's annual incomes.
Secondly, I don't know of any system that isn't structurally at some level. Economics is the science of satisfying unlimited wants with limited resources. Employment, in the same vein, are subject to supply and demand, not balance or equilibrium. The only way to achieve the latter is to limit individual rights and deny them from wanting more than is supplied.
Thirdly, tech is where that Steinbeck quote breaks. Unlike the farmers and fruit-pickers in Grapes of Wrath, tech employees actually have a very good chance of becoming millionaires so long as they aren't spendthrifts. At a starting pay of ~3x the median income of the country, even before RSUs, I'd hesitate to call anyone in that position "poor" or "temporarily embarrassed" in a financial sense.
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> Elon puts a lot of focus on ability and skill over formalities and organizations I'm curious what this means to you, because when I see people from inside Twitter correct him on Twitter, with specific technical statements describing what's going on—and then he fires them—that seems like formalities way outranking ability and skill.
"I'm curious what this means to you, because when I see people from inside Twitter correct him on Twitter, with specific technical statements describing what's going on—and then he fires them—that seems like formalities way outranking ability and skill." I'm curious... do you not understand why this person was fired? If I publicly corrected my CEO, I would expect to be fired. I do not work for Elon, and I make this s…