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Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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I went to a Montessori School from k-8 then switched into a fairly fast paced public school district for high school. I absolutely loved Montessori, and feel very lucky that I had the opportunity to attend. I felt a lot of ownership/independence about my learning from a young age, and it really supported my curiosity about the world. Interactions with teachers felt like collaboration, not being told what to do, so I…

Thanks for sharing - glad to hear you managed to get through your lower level algebraic struggles! That's a tough thing to have to fix. One of the things you mentioned (and i've seen in many comments) is the transition from Montessori to another system (an aside: usually while implying saying how poor the structure/goals of the other system is). My product development part of my brain points to this as as systemic pr…

I definitely think that these two things could have been identified and supported. It’s actually very interesting reading the comments here that they are pretty common experiences, and structurally that makes sense to me. I’m not sure these two things helped me develop “internal strength” as much as being supported in lots of other ways counterbalanced it.

The math learning was fine for me until about 7th grade, so you might not even encounter this. If you’re mathematically inclined and and have the resources to support, I think it’s fairly straightforward to keep an eye on how math is progressing and boost. My parents did identify that I wasn’t prepared for high school math, but didn’t follow through in ways that actually fixed the situation. They both went through pretty rigorous traditional math education, and so probably didn’t even realize this was something that could slip through. I probably would have been back on track with either of my of them sitting down to teach me algebra, or an after school program, or such. Instead what happened is I was handed an algebra textbook to work through over the summer, which honestly I half succeeded at after being in Montessori for so long, but I really needed more guidance/pacing/accountability. It kind of sucked going through high school and early college math without that foundation, I’m not sure I learned much from that struggle other than the usual “I must be naturally bad at math”.

The social transition is a harder one, and bound to happen given how differently Montessori and the generals public school system operates. I echo what the other people here are saying of making sure your kids get to socialize outside of the Montessori environment, especially practicing meeting new peers. Many of my classmates had a hard time at first and then figured it out, it took me a bit longer. I am grateful though that I managed to hold onto the “weirdness” of being curious and passionate about learning, even if it made high school hard at times.

I also don’t think being excited about learning and being well socialized are mutually exclusive! Generally my friends who did better transitioning had more social parents to model off of, or other previously Montessori students at their high school. Something that probably would have helped me is staying in regular contact with the people I went to Montessori with. Then we could navigate the change it together, even if we were all at different schools, and the social switch over wouldn’t have been so total and isolating. My younger sister had a few friends switch to the same high school together and they adapted much much faster. I wonder if parents/kids of parents who move around a lot have any advice on this?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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I went to a private Montessori school grades 3K-5, and my children have been or are in Montessori school grades 3K-6. As you might have guessed, I am a fan. As most Montessori schools are private, my impression is that the variance in the quality of Montessori implementation varies considerably, but at a high level I have positive views of many of the same method characteristics as other comments: - mixed-age classes…

FWIW I just realized that my AMS/SAIS references are US-specific, so substitute relevant accrediting bodies for Montessori/private schools... AMI is international, though.

In the US, AMS vs AMI is a salient difference that is worth understanding... it's a bit of a which-linux-distro-is-best type holy war.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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there are advantages to both systems. alternative schools are more like an idealized & harmonious version of the world while public ed mirrors the dysfunction and corporatocracy of 'real life' (and not to mention the blatant incuriosity & joylessness of managerial figures)

hippie school teaches you how to love the world, state school teaches you how to live in it.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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I went to a Montessori kindergarten and I'm sure to this day it must have been the best kindergarten in the world. I remember one single time that I felt uneasy there because I had to stay with another group for some time, and the lady in that group was thought to be rather strict. I did whatever I thought I was expected to do and probably didn't look too happy, for at some point she turned to me to tell me, "you don't have to do that, y'know, it's totally up to you". For a kid too shy too ask that was a great deal. It still counts in my life although it's half a century ago. Thank you Mr and Ms Montessori.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Difficult transition to the cliques and more aggressive social dynamics of public school Am I naive in thinking that the aggressive social dynamics of public school adds no value whatsoever to a child's or teenager's development? Like, _why_ would anyone want to put their children through that? Is it _really_ integral to a person's social development to understand how to interact with bullies (worst case)? I admi…

I agree that a lot of it's needless and painful, but there's some merit in knowing how to defend yourself (physically, mentally and emotionally). There's a lot of the petty BS that you learn from in school that transposes to adult life. I hate watching my kids deal with it, but I'd be remiss in raising them if I didn't prepare them for that.

I was home schooled all the way through til college - never went to any regular school. I have never regretted that, and never felt that I am missing out on any skills necessary for dealing with functional adults. Indeed I see the painful impacts and lasting damage those experiences had on some of my friends, and I am glad I never had to experience it.

Kids are cruel to each other because they do not yet know any better. They are still developing empathy and have not yet learned social skills. Kids in mixed-age environments can (and do) take their cues from older children and adults; kids who are isolated into the bizarre, historically nonexistent single-age environments found in the modern school system do not have that advantage, and accordingly tend to brutalize each other. Outside of prison there is nothing like it in adult life.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a Montessori nearby we considered, but ultimately decided it was too risky due to the small class size - if we went in blind and ended up with a bunch of kids ours didn't get along with it would be painful to roll back. The local public school seems to be fine (this is elementary/middle grades). Thinking about going from there to a more elite private high school though, biggest downside being that it will req…

i am very confused by the reasoning for your choice. i believe the smaller the class size, the less likely there are going to be any problems. for one, the teacher will have more time for each child and be able to notice and deal with conflicts, and also your child will spend more time with the same kids, and so they will have more opportunity to get along. but most of all, i do not believe that children can not lear…

It was mostly a numbers thing. If probability of any given kid being a good match is p, I wanted a good chance of getting 3-4 good matches i.e. wanted (1-p)^(N-4) to be small, while not losing too much quality due to overpopulated class. I thought a cohort of 20 in the class year was too small. We've also had a cautionary experience with an earlier grade where too many classmates were aggressive little shits who were no fun to deal with (though with enough good eggs to counterbalance).

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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I went to a private Montessori school grades 3K-5, and my children have been or are in Montessori school grades 3K-6. As you might have guessed, I am a fan. As most Montessori schools are private, my impression is that the variance in the quality of Montessori implementation varies considerably, but at a high level I have positive views of many of the same method characteristics as other comments: - mixed-age classes…

Thanks those are very helpful considerations and experience.

Thinking about which program to put my children in has opened a whole host of other questions such as one of your last one about what are their outcomes - which is how do I want to define the outcomes/expectations from the program aka my children going through the education system.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

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My wife was a Montessori 'lifer', this topic actually came up in conversation no our second date, and our child is currently the happiest Montessori pre-k kid, perhaps ever.

As others have pointed out, the Montessori program is strong, but the execution is everything.

FWIW my wife, who is in her 40s, regularly visits her Montessori campus when visiting her hometown, and is friends with several of her classmates from the time, all of whom might give you the impression that Montessori is some sort of MLM thing to judge by their unbridled enthusiasm.

EDIT - we plan to start our child in public kindergarten, because money. Tough choice, but that $12k isn't peanuts to us.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone go through Montessori education until age 12 (end of grade 6)?

#110
I did Montessori though 4th grade. Moving to public school in 5th grade was a shock because, while I had been doing algebra self-directed, I never memorized my multiplication tables. I really resented being forced to memorize lists that I could just look up in a table (though I would freely memorize other things). So when I got into 5th grade, I failed all my math tests. I decided that didn't feel good, so I memorized those really fast. :)

In retrospect, I am really glad I moved a bit earlier, because I think going straight from Montessori to 7th grade (junior high there) would have been a big jump. Moving over while still in elementary school eased that. But that was me and my situation.

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