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Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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Am I the only one who still pays for and like Evernote? (: I don’t love it, it’s too bloated for that. But it still works (if not optimally). I could switch, but doing research to find an alternative and then migrate would take quite a lot of time, and time is always a constrained resource.

I pay for it, I use it every day, I love it and I can't find the time to switch. I used it for my personal stuff and to coordinate the work with my 3 people team. It's great, albeit slow. The Android app doesn't work well on my phone. Never syncs.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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I migrated to Apple Notes once I got an Apple Pencil and noticed simply touching it to the screen while off would instantly let me start taking a note like it was a piece of paper. There was no way to get that level of integration with Evernote, so I switched immediately.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very similar path to the one that Skitch and Dropbox took. In each case, instead of perfecting and maintaining a really good app, business pressures caused them to pursue growth at all costs. This is a common problem these days.

Once companies hire Product Managers, it is usually downhill from there in 80% of cases. The problem is that the PMs are incentivized to deliver features, even if that is not the right thing to do. See: Postman.

As a senior PM and multiple time founder, I don't think this is the right way to look at the situation. PMs should be incentivized towards driving user value not features. It's tough once an organization gets large enough for everyone on the team to be aligned to the same vision and what user value means; this is where a PM can be a positive multiplier effect. The situation you are describing seems to me more like a junior PM issue or a broader misunderstanding by that organization of how to use and incentivize PMs effectively.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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It failed because it turned the app into bloat and killed multi-device syncing. Most of the decisions made regarding product features were user-hostile not just to the free tier, but also to paying users who did not want the "features" they kept pushing out.

> but also to paying users I was a paid user of the lower tier, and I decided to leave when they kept showing me nag screens to push me to buy the higher tiers. Totally unacceptable in a product I was paying for.

Dropbox does the same shit. they are totally shameless.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very similar path to the one that Skitch and Dropbox took. In each case, instead of perfecting and maintaining a really good app, business pressures caused them to pursue growth at all costs. This is a common problem these days.

> business pressures You mean greed .

We've codified greed in how tech businesses commonly operate. Once they take VC money, the expectation is constant growth. If you have a product with a limited market/audience there are only a few ways to achieve that:

- Increase prices - which will drive some of your customers away.

- Revenue through ads - which will drive some of your customers away.

- New products - risky, and if successful it sometimes means the original product becomes abandonware.

- New features to try to increase the audience for your product or monetize directly - what it seems like Evernote did.

But not every product can have billions or even millions of users. So sometimes these all fail anyway. Basically investment, whether from VCs or an IPO, is often death for a small business serving a niche market.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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Shameless plug but for the past 2 years we have slowly been working to replace Evernote with Notesnook [1]. Sounds weird to say "replace Evernote" when Evernote is absolute shit (no offense) but one of the main reasons we went this route is because Evernote did one thing right: It made personal note taking approachable & actually fun. Nowadays, a lot of the modern note taking apps (Notion, Slite etc.) are focused on…

The one feature I loved in Evernote (when I was using it as a paid customer a few years ago) was that I could upload a pdf and it would be indexed for search. I ended up using Evernote as an extensive pdf library with very rapid search of all my pdfs. Does notesnook offer anything like that?

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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Over the years I've realized that I don't actually care for or need the "note taking" part of applications like these. What I need is a textual data store that can be efficiently and effectively indexed, searched and (automatically) tagged, and for the ability to quickly filter streams and feeds of targeted information from that data store (with the option to share them publicly via RSS - my public feeds are in my pr…

> Nobody seemed interested in making this so I just made it myself and I've been using it for the last 2 years very happily.

Based on your profile, I presume you're talking about https://notado.app/?

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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When people start going from EverNote to OneNote, that's an indication you've one-upped Microsoft in terms of un-usablity. Not to say all MS products are bad (Office is good) but the well-berated Teams is an example of a monstrosity that should be more usable.
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